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yeah yeah

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welcome back to calling all beings on a

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Saturday evening

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I'm your host DJ along with the

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legendary researcher and OG member of

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cab a study of uap's Deb what's up

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homegirl

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about to get serious up in here let me

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do some serious talk

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I we don't know if she's wearing either

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the [\h__\h] or blood colors uh today but

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awesome man thank you Deb and also uh

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one of our new cabbies and a brilliant

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addition to this show is uh the host of

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Bigfoot Crossroads Matt Knapp what's up

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Gangster what's up G money not much man

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I just watched uh reservation dogs on

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Hulu I recommend everybody that has Hulu

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or has access watch reservation dogs it

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is absolutely brilliant it's a satirical

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look that also is quite serious about

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life on the res I know you have grown up

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around and have and interacted with

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people that live on a res a lot of us

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have not

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um and so yeah I recommend everyone

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check that out

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um so dab Matt

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um I talked to our friend uh the other

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day uh Christopher sharp and wanted to

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just kind of get the latest he's done

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outstanding reporting he's been

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mentioned on a couple different shows

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Micah Hank's show and and others uh for

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the great work uh that he's done and the

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the faith that he's kept uh that this

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was going to happen and by golly it did

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and when I spoke to him he mentioned a

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name uh that somebody that I know that

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I've spoken with a military brother from

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the Marine Corps who uh finished his law

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degree not too long ago somebody that uh

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we've got W and I have met and somebody

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that we both admire and that is Sean

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Munger who goes by Bob pliskin on

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Twitter so uh Chris said we gotta have

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on uh Bob pluskin with me you know Sean

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and I said yeah cool I will reach out

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straight away and make that happen sir

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yes I'll do the I'll even do the British

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salute for you

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um so so without further Ado my friends

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um let's bring in uh the editor and

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creator of Liberation times the UK

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brother he is at Chris UK sharp I got

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them dinner with this man not once but

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twice in England baby put

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where's oh I got Adam's I can't only

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clap I actually have to add him to the

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stream yeah okay thanks Nathan by the

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way so uh those of you are wondering uh

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Nathan

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um is is off with the fam tonight and

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actually I think he's actually meeting

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with uh Dan

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um from uh you you uh with the signal

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from UK UAP media and EXO tonight so

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it's gonna be pretty cool

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um now oh look at Matt he made a new

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Avatar I love it uh he's very creative

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um so our our next guest uh uh my Marine

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representing the state of Mass baby the

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don't play no games Boston Strong uh

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like I said he don't got his law degree

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he's somebody that we admire and respect

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and he was a contributor he is a

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contributor to the debrief and was a

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contributor on this story that uh

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potentially uh is going to change lives

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so without further Ado put those hands

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Sean Bob pliskin Munger

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what's going on good evening all good

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evening all and across the ponds how you

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doing uh Chris

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good to uh good to see you Sean well

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done by the way with the debrief stuff

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it was um it was incredible and um yeah

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Sean's been such an important part to

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what I've done with Liberation times I

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mean his feedback when I initially

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started publication and doing articles

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it literally it made all the difference

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like I wouldn't be where I am to live

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wasn't drawn and he's just the best man

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so thank you I'm humbled to be with you

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so thank you I appreciate that Chris I'm

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just uh he had a servant if I can add

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value I and I have the time and the

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capacity to do so I've always uh let

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that be known that if I can I will if I

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can't I'll I'll try to point you in the

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right direction somebody else that can

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so yeah um thank you just just because

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we're not done throwing accolades at at

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Sean before I knew him

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um I had become friends with and started

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having phone conversations with uh

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has been in invaluable to the community

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as well and he said dude he said do you

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know uh Bob pliskin and he said Bob

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pliskin has basically done XYZ he's

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former Marine you need to you need to

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connect with Bob Plissken and I said yes

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sir I will and I reached out to uh Sean

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and we started having uh you know uh

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text and so forth and then I had the

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pleasure of meeting him and hopefully uh

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if everything goes well in October when

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I go to my college team reunion in Mass

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maybe I'll I'll get to see him so

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hopefully all that will come together

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but y'all didn't come to hear about all

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that

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right then I want to hear about UFO so I

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think a good place to start uh Deb and

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Matt I'm thinking is to let Chris give

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us an update on what he's the latest and

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the fact of the the dod complaint which

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may or may not have been formalized into

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an IG complaint but certainly was causal

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in the retribution that begat the second

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um complaint that was formalized with

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attorney so Christopher without further

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Ado take it away and then we'll we'll

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make make our way around the table with

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absolutely so you know firstly this is a

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really serious still what we're talking

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about so

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um yeah I I don't want to put anything

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out there that should be put out there

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but I will say a question should be

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asked so

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when last week

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David Rush is

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intelligence Community Inspector General

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campaign was released it's unclassified

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form it reads in July 2021 Mr grush

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confidentially provided UAP related

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classified information to the dod

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Inspector General at that time Mr grush

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communicated classified information

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about the improper withholding and or

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concealment of classified material from

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the U.S Congress by certain IEC elements

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of intelligence Community elements Mr

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grush leads at his identity and the fact

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of his UAP related Communications with

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the dodig have been disclosed to

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individuals and or entities outside of

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the dod IG and that he has suffered

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retaliation and reprivals related there

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so what seems to have happened is that

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Mr grush is communicated information

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relating to

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UAP programs that have been

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hidden from the oversight of Congress

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he's communicated that information

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to the dodig and then somehow that

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information has got out in terms of

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knowledge of that information that was

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and that has led to the harassment in

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intimidation and whatnot of David which

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is why he has gone to the intelligence

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Community IG to launch a complaint about

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that harassment

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um an intimidation so I mean Dave David

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says that he's making no accusation at

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all

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that you know he's implicating the dod

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ID with leaking any information so

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that's something you know that needs to

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be tested he's not making any

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accusations or anything like that but it

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does leave questions where did that

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information leap from

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and we don't know for sure that it

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didn't didn't leak from a dodig so one

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would suspect that there would be some

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internal investigation perhaps just to

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make sure that it didn't

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um look it could have leaked from other

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individuals that knew David who knows

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you know we just don't know it's

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conjunction I've feel it caesarea it's

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enough Dill unless it's been resolved

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100 that this did not leak from the dod

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IG because you know there's a lot of

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whistleblowers out there it's not just

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you a key related in terms of

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um the Department of Defense and

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confidentiality is really really key in

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terms of you know any complaints or

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information they're provided into the

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dod IG so I feel if there is some

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question if there's even a little shred

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of Doubt oh you know hanging over the

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dod IG

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I think that's already serious deal

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um I want to let everybody just have a

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shot at that but do we know

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um do we know that he spoke with the

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dodig either formally or informally have

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played by what's in the actual

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um in the actual complaint

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to the icig and that's it yeah okay yeah

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yes yeah he he said that

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um he feels that his identity in a fact

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of his you AP related Communications

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with the dod IG have been disclosed of

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individuals and entities outside of the

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dod IG and that he has suffered

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retaliation report reprisals related

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there too so I've seen intimidation

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harassment I need to get my language

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corrected just to be fully accurate

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retaliation they're synonymous

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do you have anything on on that uh yeah

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I believe some of the media

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organizations may have had a copy or

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potentially have had uh eyes on some of

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the uh unclassified portions of the

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Inspector General

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uh complaint and that could potentially

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be an Avenue of how if anything's been

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leaked again I I'm not sure I might not

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have been uh fully up to speed on what

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has come up if there is that something

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was leaked it can either come from the

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dod it could have come from uh some of

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the um

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legal counsels that have copies of these

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things and it could have come from uh

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you know potentially some of the media

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organizations that have uh you know

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been provided a copy if if those are out

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there it's the internet nowadays once it

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goes on the internet you know or

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unsecure Network it can slowly leak and

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slowly work its way out so it wouldn't

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surprise me if it came from any one of

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those positions

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up before I pass it over to Debs uh no I

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understand that is that is critical I

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mean it um and that I'm going to get

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into that because we're going to talk

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about one IG potentially investigating

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another and title 50 Authority versus

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title 10 Authority but I want to say

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hello to beyond the binary hello Jules

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in the chat thank you for being here

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ma'am uh and Deanna I hear what you're

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saying others may be waiting to speak

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depending on how this turns out is what

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she's saying and in fact uh we have been

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told that there are others I don't want

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to go ahead well yeah I would I would I

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would even say this is from uh what Mr

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Rush has put out for uh either through

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the debrief article and follow-up

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interviews is that

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individuals named individuals have come

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forward so here I am telling everyone

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but these Witnesses came to us came to

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me in an official capacity so that's

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named individuals that follow-up

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investigators can now just go to and get

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what they reported so if it's if he's

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repeating information that might be

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hearsay because the declarance is the

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original witness then the investigator

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can go to that person who's a known

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individual that works for a known

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organization that has access to a known

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compartment and investigate further if

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those that information is true now I

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would say now

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if they if the Inspector General uh

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complaint is about retaliation okay that

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could still be the vehicle

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that follow-on investigations can occur

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because now you have Congressional uh

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committees their general counsel

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have

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multiple committees multiple General

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counsels

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of multiple committees have taken Mr uh

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Rush's deposition

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so now those organizations not

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necessarily the elected officials

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because they have to have separation you

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can you don't want the elected officials

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to have any access to you don't want

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political influence on an active

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investigation because that could screw

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up anything down the road should there

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be prosecutions later on you know that

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defense attorney could say oh you know

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is this an impartial investigation or

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were you going in after him because the

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center of the future president you know

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is on that uh on that committee and they

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wanted you to do a political favor so

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you don't want those politicians

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involved at this time you don't want

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them making comment at least I wouldn't

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again as an attorney I wouldn't want

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that making content right now let the

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investigation go and when the

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information is known or there's more

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corroborating information that's that's

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or substantiating evidence that's in

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hand then maybe start coming out a

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little bit more so I mean a little

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reservation from the uh political uh the

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politicians I'm not really worried about

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but back to the investigation of the

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reprisals so if he's already given a

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deposition so now you have the Council

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for those committees and

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congressional committees have the

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authority to have investigations so

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other investigations can spur from this

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you know I was retaliated against why

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you're Italian against oh because again

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so this is not the situation here's a

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hypothetical I was retaliated against

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because I was sexually harassed oh I was

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also raped you know and then it's like

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well now we have a you know sexual

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assault investigation that occurs on the

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original Inspector General so this

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and I I see it often like oh they

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inspector the complaint is about

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reprisal it's like that doesn't matter

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that's just okay now the information is

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getting to the people that need to hear

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it and more can compliment so this is

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the spark that leads to the fire that

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burns down the house okay so this this

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is this is this is the you know another

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brick in the uh the yellow brick road

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okay this is this this is this is what

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needs to happen and it needs to occur in

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the correct way in by everything that

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he's that I can see the the ways that

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he's conducting it and through Council

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and through the investigative

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government bodies is that he's doing it

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trying to do it on the up and up right

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so it doesn't get shut down

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oh sorry everybody it gives the

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government the opportunity in the

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existing infrastructure the opportunity

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to uh either uncover it and if not then

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you could you know you know always go

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the other way

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and where are the investigation starts

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is not necessarily where it ends it

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opens the door I think is is what you

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were saying and all Pink Floyd fans are

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upset that you didn't say Just Another

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Brick in the Wall right Chris uh with

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that but in in answer to the question

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earlier opposed by

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um Deanna uh what you're saying is the

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answer is yes uh there are more people

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have come forward you have spoken with

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more people so it's just a matter of of

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them I guess coming public that I think

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that's the discriminator but before I

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speak any longer we got to get uh Debs

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and Matt in here so Debs uh would you

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like to react to what you've heard thus

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far yeah so of course the fact that

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um Greer was putting David grush on a

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lineup for his conference last weekend

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has sort of highlighted the possibility

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that Greer might be somehow involved

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with some of the information leaking

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he's also allegedly claimed to provide

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information to David grosh and try to

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associate his name with him so can you

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guys comment on that

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well yeah okay all right go ahead and

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I I personally not I prefer not to

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speculate on somebody else's uh

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actions at that point I'm not burst on

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it enough

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Chris would you want to react to it

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again I I have no information in terms

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of

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um any contact that she made between

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um Stephen Greer and um and David grosh

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all I would mention is

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you know this story and you know David

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grush's name for instance they did leak

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out before the story came out which put

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David in a really really difficult

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position and meant the article had to be

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released

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um sooner than it may have already may

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have done otherwise

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um to protect him

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um so we know that this whole process to

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a certain extent has been leaky anyhow

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um but I I would want to speculate in

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terms of where the information leaked

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from it you know as Sean said you know

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that there's a there's a various

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individuals and organizations where this

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could have could have leaked from

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um I think you know this is you know one

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part of the picture in terms of any

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investigation done by the icig is to

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find out you know where that did

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potentially leak from

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um but otherwise I mean Sean Sean Hit

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Upon some really interesting things from

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my understanding David has provided

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verifiable information to

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um to Congress so I mean I I think

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Skeptics and you know people who do

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believe

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um the whistleblowers should all just

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rally around now say okay cool

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if you don't believe it

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you wouldn't have you shouldn't have a

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problem just verify he's provided to

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verifiable information now go and check

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it out prove it you know

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it stops there you know like let's stop

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this or if you if you think this is some

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kind of a science or anything like that

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cool it stops here

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verifiable information has been provided

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now let's go and check that out you

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should have no problem with that you

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know if you think that it's all alive

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that's fine just just check it out

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you've got nothing to lose and I think

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this is the stage of where we're at now

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um and um I I would also note from my

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understanding as well I think it was

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Michael um shannenberger who does the

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Public Sub stack um from I understand he

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is actually spoken to some of the other

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whistleblowers who've had contact with

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the actual programs directly

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um who may have you know seen a touch to

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craft and stuff like that although

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they're not named you know he he they're

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still Anonymous at this point he has had

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contact with them and you know these

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individuals do exist when people say

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that you know David is just getting

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second-hand information

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these people do exist you know and

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people have spoken to them

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um I mean whether they choose to go

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public you know that's the Dare

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discretion but they do exist you know so

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um I think that's very very important to

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actually

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where we are in this store at the moment

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but yeah I I think some something else

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I'd point out as well if locations have

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been provided in terms of this

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I think it's very very important to kind

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of like verify it as soon as possible

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because if these programs are being

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moved to different locations to hide

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what they're doing then time is of the

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Assets in in that respect if that if

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um I was going to save this for later

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before I pass it over to Matt um I was

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going to save this for later but what I

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want to say is that belief is something

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that we we have to discuss because if if

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your standard is going to be unless I

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physically see it touch it

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that's going to be proved to me then you

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they're never going to meet your

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standard because I can guarantee you

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that the fifty percent or better of the

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UFO Twitter Community if they if someone

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from the government came out and said

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okay these are photos of it right here

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today people would say I still don't

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believe it or video or they'd say that

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looks fake because Christopher we know

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that there are some UAP videos that have

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come from Jeremy that are real uh that

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have been uh that they do do not know

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what those are and people say it's fake

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or it's not it's not what so if the

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standard is going to be that you the

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individual out there have to see it

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touch it feel it have the news cameras

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go in and and and and go into a hangar

519
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and show it to you that's not happening

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so you may as well just resign yourself

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to because there's always a certain

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amount of belief no matter what it is

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whether it's a belief that your 401k is

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going to be there at the end of your

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career that you're going to have social

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security that when you go to the medical

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it's going to be paid for there's belief

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in everything in what and the the

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individuals that are coming forward is

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what will get into as we we progress

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through through the show

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um let's go to Matt and then we'll get

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Julie's question there go ahead sir

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just kind of piggybacking off your

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belief statement uh

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someone posted the other day in my

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little circle that uh

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no amount of belief make something

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factual

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and my response to that was and

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also no amount of disbelief makes

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something not factual

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uh belief has to be removed and right

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now we're living in a a climate due to

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various reasons that

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belief

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is kind of playing into acceptance

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where

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for instance touching the UFO if you let

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somebody you know a disbeliever in there

551
00:23:47,090 --> 00:23:45,960
there's some people who even that would

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still doubt it because they're not

553
00:23:51,350 --> 00:23:49,559
willing to accept what they're being

554
00:23:54,289 --> 00:23:51,360
shown they're not willing to accept that

555
00:23:56,930 --> 00:23:54,299
reality uh I I see Memes all the time

556
00:23:59,450 --> 00:23:56,940
being posted about you know just wait

557
00:24:01,430 --> 00:23:59,460
for the staged alien attacks and there's

558
00:24:03,770 --> 00:24:01,440
still people that believe all the UFO

559
00:24:07,070 --> 00:24:03,780
stuff being talked about through the

560
00:24:10,669 --> 00:24:07,080
government entities is just all Bakery

561
00:24:12,169 --> 00:24:10,679
and you know allusion to keep us you

562
00:24:14,570 --> 00:24:12,179
know focused over here while they're

563
00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:14,580
pulling their Shenanigans over here uh

564
00:24:20,210 --> 00:24:16,799
so it's going to be really interesting

565
00:24:23,210 --> 00:24:20,220
as more of this uh hard proof comes out

566
00:24:26,570 --> 00:24:23,220
and factual information how the public

567
00:24:29,210 --> 00:24:26,580
accepts it and when they decide to set

568
00:24:31,730 --> 00:24:29,220
belief aside and just let the evidence

569
00:24:34,430 --> 00:24:31,740
that's shown to them sway their opinion

570
00:24:35,990 --> 00:24:34,440
one way or the other uh whenever it

571
00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:36,000
comes to the leaks

572
00:24:40,430 --> 00:24:37,200
I mean

573
00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:40,440
U.S government man you know we're we're

574
00:24:45,590 --> 00:24:42,240
a bucket with a bunch of holes in the

575
00:24:49,789 --> 00:24:45,600
bottom of it but one interesting aspect

576
00:24:52,190 --> 00:24:49,799
is if these leaks were responsible for

577
00:24:55,789 --> 00:24:52,200
him being uh

578
00:24:59,210 --> 00:24:55,799
threatened or anything of that nature

579
00:25:01,850 --> 00:24:59,220
typically the leaks in government

580
00:25:04,610 --> 00:25:01,860
come out due to political influence

581
00:25:07,070 --> 00:25:04,620
being able to sell a story to a paper or

582
00:25:09,950 --> 00:25:07,080
you know a news agency or whatever but

583
00:25:12,649 --> 00:25:09,960
this is a situation where it sounds like

584
00:25:16,610 --> 00:25:12,659
if all this information is true

585
00:25:19,970 --> 00:25:16,620
that this leak went directly to somebody

586
00:25:21,590 --> 00:25:19,980
who didn't want it out and then went as

587
00:25:23,810 --> 00:25:21,600
far as to try and suppress that

588
00:25:25,669 --> 00:25:23,820
information and can I can I can I just

589
00:25:27,409 --> 00:25:25,679
say one thing real quick I want to be

590
00:25:30,470 --> 00:25:27,419
clear about the distinction this is not

591
00:25:34,730 --> 00:25:30,480
a leak this is a a report to an official

592
00:25:37,789 --> 00:25:34,740
process in IG process what uh Julian

593
00:25:40,130 --> 00:25:37,799
Assange or what uh what's the other cat

594
00:25:41,830 --> 00:25:40,140
that's over in Russia right now

595
00:25:44,510 --> 00:25:41,840
um I can't remember

596
00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:44,520
yeah Snowden

597
00:25:50,149 --> 00:25:48,000
um reality winner those those are leaks

598
00:25:52,610 --> 00:25:50,159
where something was given to the media

599
00:25:54,409 --> 00:25:52,620
this was he went through legal channels

600
00:25:56,450 --> 00:25:54,419
and did it the proper way so that's not

601
00:25:58,070 --> 00:25:56,460
a leak but I understand the what you're

602
00:26:00,950 --> 00:25:58,080
saying is what you're thinking matters

603
00:26:03,350 --> 00:26:00,960
they leaked to him is the the process

604
00:26:04,909 --> 00:26:03,360
owners that were surrounding these

605
00:26:08,029 --> 00:26:04,919
programs that were working on these

606
00:26:10,010 --> 00:26:08,039
craft leaked to to David if that's what

607
00:26:12,830 --> 00:26:10,020
you mean then no no no the information

608
00:26:16,430 --> 00:26:12,840
that David took to the dod IG is not a

609
00:26:18,890 --> 00:26:16,440
leak leaked out from the dodig in theory

610
00:26:20,269 --> 00:26:18,900
yeah okay apparently but we don't know

611
00:26:22,970 --> 00:26:20,279
the chain of custody of the information

612
00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:22,980
and who all I had access to it

613
00:26:29,330 --> 00:26:26,159
previously but the point is it if it

614
00:26:33,890 --> 00:26:29,340
came from some place other than the dod

615
00:26:37,130 --> 00:26:33,900
if it was just somebody associated in

616
00:26:38,690 --> 00:26:37,140
the process saw it and gave that

617
00:26:40,730 --> 00:26:38,700
information to somebody

618
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:40,740
how did it ended up in the hands of

619
00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:42,480
someone who's now willing to go and

620
00:26:47,390 --> 00:26:44,880
threaten him not to release this

621
00:26:51,470 --> 00:26:47,400
information right to keep it quiet God

622
00:26:53,390 --> 00:26:51,480
it makes it sound even more so like the

623
00:26:55,909 --> 00:26:53,400
information that was leaked did come

624
00:26:58,549 --> 00:26:55,919
from the dod and was put in the hands of

625
00:27:01,750 --> 00:26:58,559
specifically someone which means

626
00:27:04,390 --> 00:27:01,760
that there's some sort of

627
00:27:07,130 --> 00:27:04,400
embedded informant possibly

628
00:27:09,890 --> 00:27:07,140
in the system looking for information

629
00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:09,900
like this to happen

630
00:27:16,430 --> 00:27:13,200
as sort of you know a means of uh

631
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:16,440
compressing and keeping it quiet and if

632
00:27:20,269 --> 00:27:18,960
that's the case I mean that's pretty bad

633
00:27:22,430 --> 00:27:20,279
pretty bad

634
00:27:24,649 --> 00:27:22,440
yeah I want to get I'm going to get

635
00:27:26,390 --> 00:27:24,659
Christian and uh Sean's reaction to that

636
00:27:29,570 --> 00:27:26,400
before that just I just wanted to take

637
00:27:31,850 --> 00:27:29,580
one little shot at belief Matt uh

638
00:27:35,570 --> 00:27:31,860
himself had you know a two decade plus

639
00:27:38,630 --> 00:27:35,580
Bigfoot researcher uh has stood uh and

640
00:27:42,289 --> 00:27:38,640
seen Bigfoot in front of him okay I

641
00:27:44,510 --> 00:27:42,299
didn't see it but my knowing Matt I

642
00:27:47,630 --> 00:27:44,520
believe that he saw what he says he saw

643
00:27:49,850 --> 00:27:47,640
I don't have to be there and see it or

644
00:27:52,250 --> 00:27:49,860
have been there when he saw it to

645
00:27:53,870 --> 00:27:52,260
believe him there are people who both

646
00:27:56,029 --> 00:27:53,880
met and I have heard who've said they've

647
00:27:58,549 --> 00:27:56,039
seen Bigfoot that we don't believe and

648
00:28:00,289 --> 00:27:58,559
that's so it's up to every individual

649
00:28:02,510 --> 00:28:00,299
out there

650
00:28:04,490 --> 00:28:02,520
um but let me get your reaction to that

651
00:28:07,370 --> 00:28:04,500
and then we'll go with Julie's question

652
00:28:09,789 --> 00:28:07,380
uh what Matt is saying about the uh the

653
00:28:13,549 --> 00:28:09,799
internal leak from the someone

654
00:28:18,169 --> 00:28:13,559
affiliated with the dodig to those that

655
00:28:19,730 --> 00:28:18,179
had agency or had authority over

656
00:28:24,830 --> 00:28:19,740
um David and threatened him or

657
00:28:29,390 --> 00:28:27,890
um so I I would say it's it's not clear

658
00:28:31,669 --> 00:28:29,400
at the moment I mean it's all congestion

659
00:28:34,250 --> 00:28:31,679
at the moment in speculation as to where

660
00:28:36,049 --> 00:28:34,260
where the leak actually came from

661
00:28:38,210 --> 00:28:36,059
um so we don't know for sure if it was

662
00:28:40,909 --> 00:28:38,220
the dobig however

663
00:28:42,890 --> 00:28:40,919
we just don't know as I said you know if

664
00:28:44,630 --> 00:28:42,900
there there are questions even if

665
00:28:46,669 --> 00:28:44,640
there's like one percent doubt you know

666
00:28:49,789 --> 00:28:46,679
in terms of

667
00:28:52,909 --> 00:28:49,799
um you being able to provide a DOD IG

668
00:28:54,590 --> 00:28:52,919
um information and that may lead

669
00:28:56,090 --> 00:28:54,600
um leading to their consequences I mean

670
00:28:58,610 --> 00:28:56,100
I think that's very serious and I have

671
00:29:00,230 --> 00:28:58,620
asked questions in the doodig as to

672
00:29:02,029 --> 00:29:00,240
whether they can comment on this and

673
00:29:04,610 --> 00:29:02,039
whether they can deny whether the leak

674
00:29:07,070 --> 00:29:04,620
did come from them whether an internal

675
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:07,080
investigation is being undertaken

676
00:29:12,669 --> 00:29:10,559
um I I've received no no response yet

677
00:29:16,669 --> 00:29:12,679
um so yeah there are questions

678
00:29:19,850 --> 00:29:16,679
overhanging relating to that

679
00:29:22,610 --> 00:29:19,860
um I would also point out as well that

680
00:29:24,889 --> 00:29:22,620
um David's correspondence with the

681
00:29:29,450 --> 00:29:24,899
formal correspondences with the dod i g

682
00:29:31,549 --> 00:29:29,460
and icig came about before the arrow was

683
00:29:33,470 --> 00:29:31,559
um that was formally established by

684
00:29:35,149 --> 00:29:33,480
Patrick actually got in so those people

685
00:29:39,250 --> 00:29:35,159
say oh why didn't you go they go to

686
00:29:43,970 --> 00:29:42,169
Chris but they were both

687
00:29:45,409 --> 00:29:43,980
but they were both DOD based

688
00:29:47,570 --> 00:29:45,419
organizations the name is not

689
00:29:50,690 --> 00:29:47,580
significant both of them were title 10

690
00:29:52,549 --> 00:29:50,700
DOD organizations and the fact of the

691
00:29:55,549 --> 00:29:52,559
matter is is that these programs reside

692
00:29:57,529 --> 00:29:55,559
in title 50 organizations which you know

693
00:30:00,049 --> 00:29:57,539
Sean can talk some more about that as

694
00:30:01,850 --> 00:30:00,059
well right so and can one investigate

695
00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:01,860
the other I don't know you may need a

696
00:30:06,470 --> 00:30:04,080
third party that involves Congress Sean

697
00:30:08,269 --> 00:30:06,480
can speak to that but let me get Julie's

698
00:30:10,070 --> 00:30:08,279
question here before she decides not to

699
00:30:12,350 --> 00:30:10,080
show up for the next chat Sean would you

700
00:30:15,769 --> 00:30:12,360
take this one sure this is our chat

701
00:30:18,889 --> 00:30:17,330
I'll read it out loud does anyone

702
00:30:21,230 --> 00:30:18,899
besides me think it may have been

703
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:21,240
internally and intentionally leaked to

704
00:30:24,769 --> 00:30:23,039
force the story out for the protection

705
00:30:27,649 --> 00:30:24,779
of grush

706
00:30:29,330 --> 00:30:27,659
again that would be any answer this

707
00:30:32,149 --> 00:30:29,340
would be potentially you know the

708
00:30:33,769 --> 00:30:32,159
absolute speculation I mean

709
00:30:35,990 --> 00:30:33,779
depending on

710
00:30:37,789 --> 00:30:36,000
what results of it were they intentional

711
00:30:39,710 --> 00:30:37,799
or uh

712
00:30:41,570 --> 00:30:39,720
that's that's a great question I mean

713
00:30:44,510 --> 00:30:41,580
that's a question that you have to sit

714
00:30:47,090 --> 00:30:44,520
there and Ponder when you start seeing

715
00:30:48,169 --> 00:30:47,100
reactions of whatever the leak is you

716
00:30:50,990 --> 00:30:48,179
know and that's something that might

717
00:30:54,049 --> 00:30:51,000
come later on it was okay when he comes

718
00:30:56,870 --> 00:30:54,059
out certain aspects of whatever comes

719
00:30:58,789 --> 00:30:56,880
out highlights certain things or uh

720
00:31:01,909 --> 00:30:58,799
either establishes credibility or or

721
00:31:04,730 --> 00:31:01,919
diminishes it and then okay who would

722
00:31:06,470 --> 00:31:04,740
who benefits from that so but then again

723
00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:06,480
it could also be just

724
00:31:10,010 --> 00:31:07,919
especially with this community it could

725
00:31:12,169 --> 00:31:10,020
be somebody that just got it and then

726
00:31:13,909 --> 00:31:12,179
wants to look cool and just gives it to

727
00:31:15,649 --> 00:31:13,919
somebody else and wants to you know

728
00:31:19,070 --> 00:31:15,659
establish their own credibility

729
00:31:22,370 --> 00:31:19,080
so it could be either you know

730
00:31:24,110 --> 00:31:22,380
malicious intent or just stupidity from

731
00:31:27,769 --> 00:31:24,120
someone that just doesn't know how to

732
00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:27,779
keep their you know their ship type

733
00:31:33,409 --> 00:31:31,200
yeah and Jules at this point I'm going

734
00:31:35,149 --> 00:31:33,419
to take it at face value based on

735
00:31:36,710 --> 00:31:35,159
something that I'm going to get in here

736
00:31:39,649 --> 00:31:36,720
at the moment and then if there's reason

737
00:31:41,930 --> 00:31:39,659
to think that conspiratorily about it

738
00:31:43,909 --> 00:31:41,940
you know we could shift gears to that

739
00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:43,919
but at this point I'm going to take

740
00:31:48,289 --> 00:31:46,559
what's been said at face value because

741
00:31:50,029 --> 00:31:48,299
of the vetting that's been done by the

742
00:31:51,289 --> 00:31:50,039
individual so I'm going to take it in

743
00:31:54,889 --> 00:31:51,299
this direction then we're going to go

744
00:31:56,930 --> 00:31:54,899
you know Deb Matt Chris and Sean but a

745
00:32:00,889 --> 00:31:56,940
question that people may be asking is

746
00:32:03,230 --> 00:32:00,899
why should I believe or trust uh David

747
00:32:06,289 --> 00:32:03,240
rush and what he says why why should I

748
00:32:08,210 --> 00:32:06,299
believe him so we can go with the very

749
00:32:10,310 --> 00:32:08,220
simple New York Street answer which is

750
00:32:13,130 --> 00:32:10,320
uh and Sean might call this a Boston

751
00:32:16,190 --> 00:32:13,140
Street answer is that this man has skin

752
00:32:19,370 --> 00:32:16,200
in the game okay he

753
00:32:20,750 --> 00:32:19,380
when he first of all in investigating

754
00:32:22,669 --> 00:32:20,760
these complaints

755
00:32:25,850 --> 00:32:22,679
um and and by the way I just heard on a

756
00:32:30,710 --> 00:32:25,860
show that's a very respected show uh and

757
00:32:33,889 --> 00:32:30,720
host who was basically questioning

758
00:32:36,049 --> 00:32:33,899
um first uh they played some clips of uh

759
00:32:40,190 --> 00:32:36,059
a very famous debunker in the community

760
00:32:43,970 --> 00:32:40,200
and then postulated what if

761
00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:43,980
um David was shown uh human-made craft

762
00:32:48,529 --> 00:32:46,559
and and and he's he's the Fool on this

763
00:32:50,750 --> 00:32:48,539
and he's reporting it but they just show

764
00:32:53,930 --> 00:32:50,760
him stuff that we made is was the the

765
00:32:56,930 --> 00:32:53,940
the paraphrasing of his statement and I

766
00:33:00,169 --> 00:32:56,940
say he spent four years he said

767
00:33:02,330 --> 00:33:00,179
investigating this uh going through not

768
00:33:04,490 --> 00:33:02,340
one person he said in in his uh

769
00:33:06,110 --> 00:33:04,500
interview with Ross I interviewed people

770
00:33:07,610 --> 00:33:06,120
that were part of these programs that

771
00:33:11,330 --> 00:33:07,620
didn't know one another and got the same

772
00:33:14,990 --> 00:33:11,340
information from multiple sources and so

773
00:33:18,409 --> 00:33:15,000
he took a good long time investigating

774
00:33:20,509 --> 00:33:18,419
this before he came forward and made the

775
00:33:22,909 --> 00:33:20,519
statements and and the allegations and

776
00:33:24,769 --> 00:33:22,919
and the illegalities uh were brought to

777
00:33:26,750 --> 00:33:24,779
light the second part is we talked about

778
00:33:29,330 --> 00:33:26,760
skin in the game so we have an

779
00:33:30,889 --> 00:33:29,340
individual who was in Air Force

780
00:33:33,350 --> 00:33:30,899
reservist

781
00:33:35,029 --> 00:33:33,360
um so not full-time but an Air Force

782
00:33:37,130 --> 00:33:35,039
reservists who got hired in by the

783
00:33:39,950 --> 00:33:37,140
government and got himself at a very

784
00:33:41,450 --> 00:33:39,960
young age into a gs-15 position which in

785
00:33:43,850 --> 00:33:41,460
the General Schedule you can look up

786
00:33:46,009 --> 00:33:43,860
their salary it's as high as you can go

787
00:33:48,110 --> 00:33:46,019
in general schedule

788
00:33:50,029 --> 00:33:48,120
um he may have gone on to become an SES

789
00:33:52,370 --> 00:33:50,039
you know a senior executive service

790
00:33:56,990 --> 00:33:52,380
person eventually he's like I said he's

791
00:33:58,789 --> 00:33:57,000
quite young uh 14 years in uh and he was

792
00:34:01,370 --> 00:33:58,799
doing I believe reserves and government

793
00:34:03,289 --> 00:34:01,380
reserves in government and

794
00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:03,299
um we all know it's you know two weeks

795
00:34:07,009 --> 00:34:05,519
uh one week in a month two weeks a year

796
00:34:08,450 --> 00:34:07,019
et cetera et cetera plus the your

797
00:34:12,169 --> 00:34:08,460
deployments in there

798
00:34:15,050 --> 00:34:12,179
he gave up a gs-15 salary and the

799
00:34:18,169 --> 00:34:15,060
compounding Associated retirement he

800
00:34:19,909 --> 00:34:18,179
gave up his commission he relinquished

801
00:34:21,950 --> 00:34:19,919
his commission with the Air Force

802
00:34:23,329 --> 00:34:21,960
Reserves over this I don't know that

803
00:34:25,369 --> 00:34:23,339
he's going to get a retirement out of

804
00:34:27,169 --> 00:34:25,379
that if he didn't have 20 and apparently

805
00:34:29,389 --> 00:34:27,179
he did not

806
00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:29,399
um that is skin in the game that's not

807
00:34:34,909 --> 00:34:31,919
just a mouth on Twitter that's talking

808
00:34:36,829 --> 00:34:34,919
and saying I think this and I think that

809
00:34:39,409 --> 00:34:36,839
and you have to do this and show me that

810
00:34:41,690 --> 00:34:39,419
that's someone that spent four years

811
00:34:45,530 --> 00:34:41,700
investigating it brought it through the

812
00:34:46,730 --> 00:34:45,540
legal chain of authority and gave up his

813
00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:46,740
security

814
00:34:52,010 --> 00:34:49,919
over this topic I can tell you this kid

815
00:34:53,930 --> 00:34:52,020
right here if I had that opportunity

816
00:34:55,669 --> 00:34:53,940
would not do that and I'm not just

817
00:34:58,370 --> 00:34:55,679
saying that to my friends I'm saying it

818
00:35:00,050 --> 00:34:58,380
to you and I and I love disclosure I

819
00:35:02,450 --> 00:35:00,060
really believe in it but that's somebody

820
00:35:05,329 --> 00:35:02,460
not to the degree that he that is

821
00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:05,339
self-sacrifice there are two people that

822
00:35:10,250 --> 00:35:07,200
fall in this category can anybody name

823
00:35:16,130 --> 00:35:13,790
Luis salazando and David Rush that both

824
00:35:18,410 --> 00:35:16,140
gave up gf's 15 positions over this

825
00:35:22,010 --> 00:35:18,420
topic uh Luis has his military

826
00:35:24,170 --> 00:35:22,020
retirement David Rush uh gave up his Air

827
00:35:26,930 --> 00:35:24,180
Force Reserve commission over this as an

828
00:35:29,870 --> 00:35:26,940
officer in the U.S Air Force Reserves so

829
00:35:32,329 --> 00:35:29,880
that is skin in the game right there so

830
00:35:33,710 --> 00:35:32,339
go ahead yeah I would say so if you're

831
00:35:35,870 --> 00:35:33,720
going to look at uh the witness coming

832
00:35:38,810 --> 00:35:35,880
forward you look for I guess one bias

833
00:35:41,150 --> 00:35:38,820
was the individual bias is their bias

834
00:35:43,250 --> 00:35:41,160
influencing them so let me let me I'll I

835
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:43,260
guess I'll attack them one first so as

836
00:35:47,329 --> 00:35:44,640
what I know about

837
00:35:50,990 --> 00:35:47,339
um uh Mr grush is that he's a 14-year

838
00:35:53,390 --> 00:35:51,000
intelligence officer right he served in

839
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:53,400
an official capacity on the UAP task

840
00:35:58,609 --> 00:35:55,680
force for approximately what four years

841
00:36:01,190 --> 00:35:58,619
or the what the follow-up agency right

842
00:36:04,490 --> 00:36:01,200
you first came on from the nro

843
00:36:07,250 --> 00:36:04,500
and then later on from the NGA

844
00:36:08,630 --> 00:36:07,260
so that means he had 10 years as an

845
00:36:11,930 --> 00:36:08,640
intelligence analyst or intelligence

846
00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:11,940
officer or in intelligence capacity

847
00:36:17,569 --> 00:36:14,160
of being a serious person

848
00:36:20,329 --> 00:36:17,579
during you know operation you know I was

849
00:36:22,670 --> 00:36:20,339
Iraqi Freedom enduring freedom war on

850
00:36:24,890 --> 00:36:22,680
terrorism we were tracking down and this

851
00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:24,900
is again I don't know if his time by the

852
00:36:28,490 --> 00:36:26,640
overlapped mine if I look at the

853
00:36:30,109 --> 00:36:28,500
calendar I might have been out already

854
00:36:31,130 --> 00:36:30,119
but like we were we were tracking down

855
00:36:32,930 --> 00:36:31,140
and killing people that's that's what

856
00:36:35,810 --> 00:36:32,940
our profession was you know go straight

857
00:36:37,190 --> 00:36:35,820
to it and we were good at it and we took

858
00:36:39,290 --> 00:36:37,200
it very seriously find somebody that's

859
00:36:40,430 --> 00:36:39,300
trying to hurt U.S interests in foreign

860
00:36:42,770 --> 00:36:40,440
countries they're trying to kill

861
00:36:45,230 --> 00:36:42,780
Americans and track them down and either

862
00:36:47,150 --> 00:36:45,240
disrupt their operation or or remove

863
00:36:49,670 --> 00:36:47,160
them from the serve and and that's what

864
00:36:52,730 --> 00:36:49,680
we did and a person that served in there

865
00:36:53,870 --> 00:36:52,740
in in his roles did that he's a very

866
00:36:57,470 --> 00:36:53,880
serious person

867
00:36:59,569 --> 00:36:57,480
he didn't seek out UFOs UFO or this UAP

868
00:37:02,329 --> 00:36:59,579
task force sought him out so he found

869
00:37:03,770 --> 00:37:02,339
him he was brought into the UAP task

870
00:37:06,470 --> 00:37:03,780
force first from the national

871
00:37:07,970 --> 00:37:06,480
reconnaissance uh office right so he

872
00:37:09,829 --> 00:37:07,980
came over dick matter expert Sean

873
00:37:11,510 --> 00:37:09,839
subject matter expert and then he

874
00:37:13,430 --> 00:37:11,520
remained and ended up being a liaison

875
00:37:15,829 --> 00:37:13,440
from the national uh geospatial

876
00:37:17,630 --> 00:37:15,839
intelligence agency so

877
00:37:20,329 --> 00:37:17,640
and now he's a

878
00:37:24,230 --> 00:37:20,339
person that is interested in you at UAP

879
00:37:26,150 --> 00:37:24,240
so bias did not exist prior so now let's

880
00:37:28,190 --> 00:37:26,160
look at interest does he have an

881
00:37:31,430 --> 00:37:28,200
interest to come forward all right so

882
00:37:35,349 --> 00:37:31,440
you have if ts-15 in Massachusetts right

883
00:37:40,010 --> 00:37:35,359
base pay Step One is 146 000 a year

884
00:37:42,770 --> 00:37:40,020
highest is 176 000 a year

885
00:37:44,690 --> 00:37:42,780
now that's not including and in his

886
00:37:47,329 --> 00:37:44,700
position again without getting into

887
00:37:48,890 --> 00:37:47,339
detail all the other accolades and

888
00:37:51,950 --> 00:37:48,900
travel and everything else that is

889
00:37:54,470 --> 00:37:51,960
associated with that that are on top of

890
00:37:55,970 --> 00:37:54,480
that base pay so people might say oh he

891
00:37:59,950 --> 00:37:55,980
wants to go on this circuit talk about

892
00:38:03,530 --> 00:37:59,960
UFOs how much money do you make a year

893
00:38:05,569 --> 00:38:03,540
go into uh aliencon or writing a book

894
00:38:08,450 --> 00:38:05,579
like when you get 20 grand for writing a

895
00:38:09,710 --> 00:38:08,460
book now the gsgs and then his his

896
00:38:12,589 --> 00:38:09,720
government position

897
00:38:14,569 --> 00:38:12,599
there's a pension there's retirement and

898
00:38:17,150 --> 00:38:14,579
they pay you indefinitely it's one of

899
00:38:19,790 --> 00:38:17,160
the greatest ones that that exists in in

900
00:38:21,950 --> 00:38:19,800
this country is the federal retirement

901
00:38:23,810 --> 00:38:21,960
system and then Thrift Savings Plan on

902
00:38:25,609 --> 00:38:23,820
top of that what I think they match it's

903
00:38:27,890 --> 00:38:25,619
incredible that's right now to walk away

904
00:38:32,030 --> 00:38:27,900
from that right

905
00:38:35,150 --> 00:38:32,040
because again after 10 years of of other

906
00:38:37,310 --> 00:38:35,160
experience four years of again this is

907
00:38:38,630 --> 00:38:37,320
it might not even his primary uh his

908
00:38:40,069 --> 00:38:38,640
duty he might have been his secondary

909
00:38:41,630 --> 00:38:40,079
Duty

910
00:38:44,030 --> 00:38:41,640
um

911
00:38:45,890 --> 00:38:44,040
I know this this this it just doesn't it

912
00:38:48,710 --> 00:38:45,900
interest is isn't I don't see it there

913
00:38:50,690 --> 00:38:48,720
so okay you walk away from a hundred

914
00:38:52,609 --> 00:38:50,700
thousand a year after you retire in a

915
00:38:54,770 --> 00:38:52,619
few years right and he's only 36 years

916
00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:54,780
old he's only 36 years old and he's

917
00:38:59,930 --> 00:38:57,119
already a GS like a kid like it's it's

918
00:39:02,450 --> 00:38:59,940
amazing to me yeah I mean it the

919
00:39:04,790 --> 00:39:02,460
retirement there it's a percentage of

920
00:39:06,530 --> 00:39:04,800
your highest three years of pay that he

921
00:39:07,329 --> 00:39:06,540
would have gotten

922
00:39:10,430 --> 00:39:07,339
um

923
00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:10,440
the math doesn't work out right in the

924
00:39:13,910 --> 00:39:11,760
people that are attacking his

925
00:39:14,810 --> 00:39:13,920
credibility based upon that haven't done

926
00:39:18,530 --> 00:39:14,820
the math

927
00:39:20,750 --> 00:39:18,540
go towards motive so if I'm going to

928
00:39:22,430 --> 00:39:20,760
question this a witness that's you know

929
00:39:23,450 --> 00:39:22,440
on the other side of me on the stand I'm

930
00:39:26,210 --> 00:39:23,460
gonna look at molars what's this

931
00:39:28,730 --> 00:39:26,220
person's motor what is his motive of a

932
00:39:30,530 --> 00:39:28,740
person that's you know he could be a

933
00:39:31,670 --> 00:39:30,540
career intelligence person at this point

934
00:39:34,190 --> 00:39:31,680
he's in

935
00:39:36,290 --> 00:39:34,200
it is it's not a job he'd already get a

936
00:39:39,109 --> 00:39:36,300
job he already has jobs you know he

937
00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:39,119
doesn't I mean potentially it's going to

938
00:39:43,790 --> 00:39:41,040
limit his job capacity he has

939
00:39:47,089 --> 00:39:43,800
jeopardized that yeah

940
00:39:48,170 --> 00:39:47,099
so yeah no it's not there it doesn't

941
00:39:50,690 --> 00:39:48,180
make any difference

942
00:39:52,550 --> 00:39:50,700
so that yeah so those three elements

943
00:39:54,170 --> 00:39:52,560
where you would look for to impeach a

944
00:39:56,510 --> 00:39:54,180
witness

945
00:39:58,609 --> 00:39:56,520
they're weak they're weak and they're

946
00:40:01,670 --> 00:39:58,619
they're they're they're very thin so

947
00:40:04,069 --> 00:40:01,680
it's incredible and then uh uh the moral

948
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:04,079
for for lying uh one of his uh Fitness

949
00:40:07,730 --> 00:40:06,000
reviews most recently recently I wrote

950
00:40:10,370 --> 00:40:07,740
down the quote he's an officer with the

951
00:40:12,410 --> 00:40:10,380
strongest possible moral compass

952
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:12,420
and that's that and prior to him coming

953
00:40:17,170 --> 00:40:14,640
public so it's not that they had put

954
00:40:20,270 --> 00:40:17,180
that in paper to substantiated

955
00:40:21,829 --> 00:40:20,280
this was Prior so this is already he's

956
00:40:24,230 --> 00:40:21,839
already established who he is through

957
00:40:27,950 --> 00:40:24,240
his through his up until now you know

958
00:40:30,230 --> 00:40:27,960
very promising and very uh uh successful

959
00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:30,240
career so for him to walk away from this

960
00:40:35,270 --> 00:40:32,400
you know until

961
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:35,280
until proven otherwise I I give him the

962
00:40:38,210 --> 00:40:36,480
benefit of the doubt and that's that's

963
00:40:39,829 --> 00:40:38,220
that's what I would do anybody that's

964
00:40:41,089 --> 00:40:39,839
going to make a claim any person that

965
00:40:43,790 --> 00:40:41,099
walks in my door

966
00:40:45,829 --> 00:40:43,800
and makes a claim I'm not going to say

967
00:40:47,630 --> 00:40:45,839
that they're unless I can prove they're

968
00:40:49,430 --> 00:40:47,640
lying I'm not certainly not gonna It's

969
00:40:51,050 --> 00:40:49,440
probably hard enough it's hard enough

970
00:40:53,030 --> 00:40:51,060
for a witness or somebody to come

971
00:40:55,250 --> 00:40:53,040
forward to say this horrible thing

972
00:40:56,930 --> 00:40:55,260
happened I'm not going to make it worse

973
00:40:58,730 --> 00:40:56,940
for them I'm not going to make it worse

974
00:41:00,470 --> 00:40:58,740
for them because maybe they it's hard to

975
00:41:01,970 --> 00:41:00,480
substantiate what they're saying it's

976
00:41:03,650 --> 00:41:01,980
hard to prove with it what they're

977
00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:03,660
saying right and they're an uphill

978
00:41:08,810 --> 00:41:06,000
battle already so I'm not going to make

979
00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:08,820
it worse for you unless unless and this

980
00:41:13,250 --> 00:41:11,760
is this is where unless I can prove that

981
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:13,260
you're lying and then I'm going to burn

982
00:41:18,470 --> 00:41:15,359
your [\h__\h] house down because well and

983
00:41:20,150 --> 00:41:18,480
there's three years uh in the in with a

984
00:41:22,430 --> 00:41:20,160
nice cozy cell at the federal

985
00:41:25,130 --> 00:41:22,440
penitentiary at Leavenworth and a ten

986
00:41:27,770 --> 00:41:25,140
thousand dollar fine were he to have so

987
00:41:30,290 --> 00:41:27,780
if you're wondering did he make false

988
00:41:34,370 --> 00:41:30,300
statements uh knowingly false statements

989
00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:34,380
to the icig so I I as I said in his

990
00:41:38,810 --> 00:41:36,240
attorney wouldn't have signed his own

991
00:41:40,069 --> 00:41:38,820
his name to that complaint exactly right

992
00:41:41,569 --> 00:41:40,079
knowing that there's any false

993
00:41:43,750 --> 00:41:41,579
statements in there because he's not

994
00:41:47,089 --> 00:41:43,760
going to lose his career right look

995
00:41:50,210 --> 00:41:47,099
being being on a TV show on History

996
00:41:52,250 --> 00:41:50,220
Channel is not worth losing your these

997
00:41:54,470 --> 00:41:52,260
careers these are highly lucrative or

998
00:41:56,690 --> 00:41:54,480
losing your law license you know filing

999
00:41:59,210 --> 00:41:56,700
a frivolous claim knowingly no way

1000
00:42:00,890 --> 00:41:59,220
absolutely not it's not worth it it's

1001
00:42:02,810 --> 00:42:00,900
not worth whatever retainer even if they

1002
00:42:04,430 --> 00:42:02,820
are getting a retainer it's not worth

1003
00:42:05,810 --> 00:42:04,440
making that that little money you'll

1004
00:42:07,970 --> 00:42:05,820
make plenty of money down the road then

1005
00:42:09,470 --> 00:42:07,980
you you lose your license you know he

1006
00:42:13,569 --> 00:42:09,480
loses all his careers loses security

1007
00:42:16,130 --> 00:42:13,579
clearances you know absolutely not

1008
00:42:17,510 --> 00:42:16,140
industry would not touch I don't know if

1009
00:42:19,550 --> 00:42:17,520
industry would touch them right now I

1010
00:42:22,849 --> 00:42:19,560
hope they do because if you don't touch

1011
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:22,859
them you're losing I mean uh he was

1012
00:42:27,170 --> 00:42:24,720
described to me as one of the most

1013
00:42:30,530 --> 00:42:27,180
talented intelligent uh Intelligence

1014
00:42:33,770 --> 00:42:30,540
Officers that had through his uh work in

1015
00:42:37,490 --> 00:42:33,780
the nro and the national geospatial uh

1016
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:37,500
intelligence agency he possessed a set

1017
00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:40,560
of talents that were unique to him that

1018
00:42:45,290 --> 00:42:42,480
he could as as Sean kind of alluded to

1019
00:42:47,569 --> 00:42:45,300
earlier make things go away

1020
00:42:49,550 --> 00:42:47,579
um that the his higher-ups were like how

1021
00:42:52,670 --> 00:42:49,560
are you going to do that he said I have

1022
00:42:54,290 --> 00:42:52,680
methods to make this threat go away and

1023
00:42:55,430 --> 00:42:54,300
um so anyway you start working on some

1024
00:42:58,430 --> 00:42:55,440
targeting cells and you get some

1025
00:42:59,450 --> 00:42:58,440
experience you know 10 years or 14 years

1026
00:43:01,250 --> 00:42:59,460
experience working on those

1027
00:43:02,750 --> 00:43:01,260
organizations you're valuable you're

1028
00:43:04,730 --> 00:43:02,760
valuable because you know what assets we

1029
00:43:07,010 --> 00:43:04,740
have you know how to you know uh

1030
00:43:09,050 --> 00:43:07,020
put those assets On Target you know how

1031
00:43:10,430 --> 00:43:09,060
to uh you know you have connections in

1032
00:43:13,849 --> 00:43:10,440
other agencies so you can put together

1033
00:43:16,010 --> 00:43:13,859
you know uh uh some actual Intel and

1034
00:43:18,410 --> 00:43:16,020
then you know either confirm or deny

1035
00:43:21,109 --> 00:43:18,420
some things so you you are extremely

1036
00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:21,119
valuable you know yeah I've I've been

1037
00:43:26,690 --> 00:43:24,240
able to walk out of there you know uh

1038
00:43:29,390 --> 00:43:26,700
because of this you know is detriment to

1039
00:43:32,210 --> 00:43:29,400
those organizations in a self

1040
00:43:33,710 --> 00:43:32,220
self-detronmental uh for him to you know

1041
00:43:36,290 --> 00:43:33,720
take up this

1042
00:43:38,390 --> 00:43:36,300
uh this challenge to try to push this

1043
00:43:39,650 --> 00:43:38,400
forward into the public just say the

1044
00:43:41,809 --> 00:43:39,660
very least

1045
00:43:45,170 --> 00:43:41,819
Christopher what do you have on that

1046
00:43:48,109 --> 00:43:45,180
about uh why should do you think that do

1047
00:43:51,290 --> 00:43:48,119
you think that David grush was fooled by

1048
00:43:53,870 --> 00:43:51,300
uh individuals in the uh in these

1049
00:43:56,569 --> 00:43:53,880
different uh programs these saps that

1050
00:43:58,250 --> 00:43:56,579
that came to him uh alleged that he

1051
00:44:00,890 --> 00:43:58,260
alleged came to him with stories do you

1052
00:44:04,250 --> 00:44:00,900
think that he was fooled in some way

1053
00:44:06,349 --> 00:44:04,260
personally no I I think John's just on

1054
00:44:10,370 --> 00:44:06,359
you know more than thorough job there of

1055
00:44:12,349 --> 00:44:10,380
explaining case credentials you know and

1056
00:44:14,270 --> 00:44:12,359
um what interests and motivation he

1057
00:44:16,370 --> 00:44:14,280
would possibly have you know doing this

1058
00:44:19,250 --> 00:44:16,380
you know if there was some other motive

1059
00:44:21,170 --> 00:44:19,260
and um I I just think that's that's not

1060
00:44:22,910 --> 00:44:21,180
credible at all you know he's um he's

1061
00:44:25,370 --> 00:44:22,920
testified under oath

1062
00:44:28,250 --> 00:44:25,380
um he's given his Destiny to um from

1063
00:44:30,530 --> 00:44:28,260
understanding the house

1064
00:44:33,530 --> 00:44:30,540
um intelligence committee and the set of

1065
00:44:36,170 --> 00:44:33,540
Senate intelligence committee as well

1066
00:44:38,329 --> 00:44:36,180
um and that's very very serious I mean

1067
00:44:39,710 --> 00:44:38,339
we're talking hours here

1068
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:39,720
um and

1069
00:44:45,349 --> 00:44:42,000
you know he's he's gone through a lot of

1070
00:44:48,230 --> 00:44:45,359
you know retribution as well and um you

1071
00:44:50,870 --> 00:44:48,240
know I I think maybe in the weeks to

1072
00:44:53,630 --> 00:44:50,880
come we may learn more about that but um

1073
00:44:55,550 --> 00:44:53,640
I mean we're talking serious stuff here

1074
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:55,560
um but again like you know it's not my

1075
00:45:01,849 --> 00:44:59,760
job to convince you you know I can

1076
00:45:03,770 --> 00:45:01,859
provide you the facts

1077
00:45:05,390 --> 00:45:03,780
um as I know them

1078
00:45:07,550 --> 00:45:05,400
um of what's come out but as I said

1079
00:45:08,690 --> 00:45:07,560
before you know like even if you don't

1080
00:45:11,510 --> 00:45:08,700
believe them that's fine you're welcome

1081
00:45:13,309 --> 00:45:11,520
to your opinion but I mean I don't think

1082
00:45:15,430 --> 00:45:13,319
anyone should question whether you

1083
00:45:17,690 --> 00:45:15,440
should um you know he's provided verify

1084
00:45:19,490 --> 00:45:17,700
verifiable information if you're so sure

1085
00:45:21,230 --> 00:45:19,500
that he's lying that's fine you won't

1086
00:45:23,630 --> 00:45:21,240
have a problem if Congress checks out

1087
00:45:25,970 --> 00:45:23,640
I'll verifiable information

1088
00:45:27,770 --> 00:45:25,980
um to see if it's true so I mean as I

1089
00:45:29,390 --> 00:45:27,780
said there's only one way to put this to

1090
00:45:30,950 --> 00:45:29,400
rest you know it's actually verifying

1091
00:45:32,750 --> 00:45:30,960
the information he's actually provided

1092
00:45:33,890 --> 00:45:32,760
and I think it all comes down to that

1093
00:45:35,809 --> 00:45:33,900
you know you shouldn't have any problem

1094
00:45:38,450 --> 00:45:35,819
if you don't believe them you know with

1095
00:45:39,530 --> 00:45:38,460
him with Congress verified but verifying

1096
00:45:43,190 --> 00:45:39,540
the information

1097
00:45:45,050 --> 00:45:43,200
um uh yeah so that's for instance that's

1098
00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:45,060
what I'd say yeah let me change the

1099
00:45:48,890 --> 00:45:46,560
channel on this a little bit let's let's

1100
00:45:50,809 --> 00:45:48,900
take it in this direction and then we're

1101
00:45:53,390 --> 00:45:50,819
going to go from you to Matt and Deb and

1102
00:45:55,130 --> 00:45:53,400
then I'll myself and Sean will go what

1103
00:45:58,490 --> 00:45:55,140
do you think is important that people

1104
00:46:00,050 --> 00:45:58,500
know I want you to think of and first of

1105
00:46:01,670 --> 00:46:00,060
all before we go any further let's give

1106
00:46:06,829 --> 00:46:01,680
a shout out to all the applicable people

1107
00:46:07,930 --> 00:46:06,839
let's shout out to uh Sean uh to uh

1108
00:46:10,730 --> 00:46:07,940
um

1109
00:46:12,650 --> 00:46:10,740
Lieutenant Tim McMillan and Micah Hanks

1110
00:46:16,069 --> 00:46:12,660
and the debrief for all the work they

1111
00:46:18,950 --> 00:46:16,079
did on this let's shout out uh uh let's

1112
00:46:22,370 --> 00:46:18,960
shout out Leslie and Ralph let's shout

1113
00:46:25,069 --> 00:46:22,380
out the legend Ross coltart who knew him

1114
00:46:27,710 --> 00:46:25,079
a year ago and then and was able to put

1115
00:46:29,630 --> 00:46:27,720
this together and was able to get it on

1116
00:46:32,510 --> 00:46:29,640
someone else we want to shout out news

1117
00:46:35,569 --> 00:46:32,520
Nation let's shout out uh Jeremy Corbell

1118
00:46:38,210 --> 00:46:35,579
and George Knapp who also knew uh David

1119
00:46:41,450 --> 00:46:38,220
a year ago apparently David spent the

1120
00:46:43,490 --> 00:46:41,460
night and and uh chatted at Jeremy's

1121
00:46:45,890 --> 00:46:43,500
place where they discussed some of these

1122
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:45,900
issues uh and they they held it close

1123
00:46:50,329 --> 00:46:48,000
which is why everybody in the community

1124
00:46:52,190 --> 00:46:50,339
trusts Jeremy because he doesn't put out

1125
00:46:53,930 --> 00:46:52,200
things that he's not supposed to so

1126
00:46:56,390 --> 00:46:53,940
there's a whole Litany of people there

1127
00:46:58,849 --> 00:46:56,400
everybody is a star in my mind

1128
00:47:00,829 --> 00:46:58,859
Christopher sharp you know all these

1129
00:47:03,290 --> 00:47:00,839
people that contributed

1130
00:47:06,410 --> 00:47:03,300
um to to getting this underway there it

1131
00:47:07,790 --> 00:47:06,420
was a multi-faceted team effort with

1132
00:47:09,829 --> 00:47:07,800
that Chris

1133
00:47:11,569 --> 00:47:09,839
let's we'll go to you and then we'll go

1134
00:47:13,970 --> 00:47:11,579
anti-clockwise because I can't say

1135
00:47:16,550 --> 00:47:13,980
counterclockwise because you're British

1136
00:47:19,970 --> 00:47:16,560
um we're talking like a Moto GP track

1137
00:47:22,849 --> 00:47:19,980
now so what Chris do you think people

1138
00:47:24,109 --> 00:47:22,859
need to know uh what is not being talked

1139
00:47:25,849 --> 00:47:24,119
about enough what do you think is

1140
00:47:28,210 --> 00:47:25,859
important that you'd like to highlight

1141
00:47:30,470 --> 00:47:28,220
to the community right now

1142
00:47:33,349 --> 00:47:30,480
absolutely so

1143
00:47:35,450 --> 00:47:33,359
um again I think Michael Schellenberg

1144
00:47:38,150 --> 00:47:35,460
put out a great article about this

1145
00:47:41,270 --> 00:47:38,160
around a week ago and the one thing that

1146
00:47:43,490 --> 00:47:41,280
stuck out to me most was this said he's

1147
00:47:47,270 --> 00:47:43,500
he wrote One military contract has said

1148
00:47:49,609 --> 00:47:47,280
that in December 2010 a major Aerospace

1149
00:47:52,309 --> 00:47:49,619
Corporation tried to work around secrecy

1150
00:47:54,650 --> 00:47:52,319
by creating a buffer organization to

1151
00:47:56,809 --> 00:47:54,660
prevent the scientists and Engineers who

1152
00:47:59,510 --> 00:47:56,819
laptop secret clearance from learning

1153
00:48:02,930 --> 00:47:59,520
where the tech they worked on came from

1154
00:48:04,490 --> 00:48:02,940
but the military sharply rejected the

1155
00:48:06,770 --> 00:48:04,500
proposal

1156
00:48:09,349 --> 00:48:06,780
um The Proposal the person said we would

1157
00:48:11,089 --> 00:48:09,359
apply science and engineering talent

1158
00:48:13,490 --> 00:48:11,099
because the aerospaceable corporation

1159
00:48:15,730 --> 00:48:13,500
security meant that they were not having

1160
00:48:18,890 --> 00:48:15,740
as much success as they had hoped for

1161
00:48:22,190 --> 00:48:18,900
and so we were proposing to horizontally

1162
00:48:24,470 --> 00:48:22,200
cut through the stove pipes so there

1163
00:48:26,510 --> 00:48:24,480
would be very few winds facing with the

1164
00:48:29,089 --> 00:48:26,520
Aerospace company and the science and

1165
00:48:31,190 --> 00:48:29,099
engineering Talent would need I wouldn't

1166
00:48:34,730 --> 00:48:31,200
need to know about the full nature of

1167
00:48:36,349 --> 00:48:34,740
the tech so I I would say that's very

1168
00:48:39,190 --> 00:48:36,359
important because the contractor said

1169
00:48:41,990 --> 00:48:39,200
the US government agency

1170
00:48:44,270 --> 00:48:42,000
rejected that idea

1171
00:48:45,950 --> 00:48:44,280
um and rather rudely from my

1172
00:48:48,050 --> 00:48:45,960
understanding as well I wasn't very

1173
00:48:51,290 --> 00:48:48,060
politely so

1174
00:48:53,690 --> 00:48:51,300
um I would say that I I'd keep on hold

1175
00:48:56,630 --> 00:48:53,700
hold of that for an information because

1176
00:48:58,790 --> 00:48:56,640
I think that could play a um a crucial

1177
00:49:01,309 --> 00:48:58,800
role in the future I mean I've spoken

1178
00:49:04,670 --> 00:49:01,319
for on podcasts that I think there is

1179
00:49:06,770 --> 00:49:04,680
another dimension to this

1180
00:49:08,750 --> 00:49:06,780
um look

1181
00:49:11,210 --> 00:49:08,760
this is a really really serious deal

1182
00:49:14,510 --> 00:49:11,220
because Democratic oversight is a

1183
00:49:16,730 --> 00:49:14,520
fundamental pillar to democracy

1184
00:49:18,950 --> 00:49:16,740
um and if Congress doesn't have

1185
00:49:22,010 --> 00:49:18,960
oversight to such programs and they've

1186
00:49:23,809 --> 00:49:22,020
not been clearly

1187
00:49:26,329 --> 00:49:23,819
um clearly

1188
00:49:28,250 --> 00:49:26,339
um stated to Congress then that's really

1189
00:49:29,809 --> 00:49:28,260
seriously I I from my understanding I

1190
00:49:31,930 --> 00:49:29,819
think in the next intelligence of

1191
00:49:35,510 --> 00:49:31,940
realization that there may be language

1192
00:49:37,010 --> 00:49:35,520
to basically prevent funding of um of

1193
00:49:40,309 --> 00:49:37,020
saps if they've not clearly been

1194
00:49:42,410 --> 00:49:40,319
communicated to the Congress so I I

1195
00:49:44,930 --> 00:49:42,420
think that this is really important I

1196
00:49:46,849 --> 00:49:44,940
think that Congress realizes that now

1197
00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:46,859
um but I would also say that look you

1198
00:49:50,930 --> 00:49:48,960
know some technology or some craft was

1199
00:49:52,210 --> 00:49:50,940
given to you know let's say Lockheed

1200
00:49:55,309 --> 00:49:52,220
Martin or something

1201
00:49:56,510 --> 00:49:55,319
you know the the four you know the 50s

1202
00:49:58,190 --> 00:49:56,520
or something like that where it had it

1203
00:49:59,390 --> 00:49:58,200
had a different name back then but um

1204
00:50:01,910 --> 00:49:59,400
you know it's still fundamentally the

1205
00:50:04,250 --> 00:50:01,920
same organization then you know the

1206
00:50:05,630 --> 00:50:04,260
people working for organization now like

1207
00:50:08,870 --> 00:50:05,640
they had nothing to do that you know

1208
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:08,880
given to the people that you know worked

1209
00:50:12,290 --> 00:50:10,800
there back in the 50s and stuff you know

1210
00:50:14,450 --> 00:50:12,300
so

1211
00:50:16,430 --> 00:50:14,460
um you know that they might want this

1212
00:50:18,109 --> 00:50:16,440
information out they may be looking for

1213
00:50:19,730 --> 00:50:18,119
you know protections and stuff like that

1214
00:50:21,290 --> 00:50:19,740
as well saying that we need more people

1215
00:50:23,329 --> 00:50:21,300
to work on this because we're not making

1216
00:50:24,770 --> 00:50:23,339
as much progress you know and these

1217
00:50:27,349 --> 00:50:24,780
people are human beings as well you know

1218
00:50:28,730 --> 00:50:27,359
they're aware of climate change and all

1219
00:50:30,829 --> 00:50:28,740
these other issues that the Earth is

1220
00:50:32,630 --> 00:50:30,839
facing and they may maybe they want to

1221
00:50:34,910 --> 00:50:32,640
check out because you know it's very

1222
00:50:36,470 --> 00:50:34,920
very difficult to get clearances to work

1223
00:50:39,170 --> 00:50:36,480
with these programs and often that means

1224
00:50:42,410 --> 00:50:39,180
the best talent doesn't actually get to

1225
00:50:44,329 --> 00:50:42,420
have you know put their hands on you

1226
00:50:45,950 --> 00:50:44,339
know potential

1227
00:50:47,750 --> 00:50:45,960
um technology we don't understand you

1228
00:50:50,390 --> 00:50:47,760
know a lot of the best

1229
00:50:52,010 --> 00:50:50,400
um professors uh or scientists and

1230
00:50:53,750 --> 00:50:52,020
Engineers you know a lot to do drugs and

1231
00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:53,760
stuff like that you know

1232
00:50:56,510 --> 00:50:54,960
um because these are out of the box

1233
00:50:58,490 --> 00:50:56,520
thinkers

1234
00:51:02,150 --> 00:50:58,500
um but that doesn't necessarily get you

1235
00:51:03,950 --> 00:51:02,160
a security clearance and you know it has

1236
00:51:05,569 --> 00:51:03,960
been suggested that China and Russia

1237
00:51:07,609 --> 00:51:05,579
have these graph as well and guess what

1238
00:51:10,250 --> 00:51:07,619
China China can definitely keep a secret

1239
00:51:12,470 --> 00:51:10,260
very very well and you know they could

1240
00:51:14,150 --> 00:51:12,480
you know potentially get a lot more

1241
00:51:15,770 --> 00:51:14,160
people studying

1242
00:51:18,670 --> 00:51:15,780
um crafts they have in their possession

1243
00:51:20,329 --> 00:51:18,680
than the US does it's um you know

1244
00:51:22,910 --> 00:51:20,339
compartmentalization and security

1245
00:51:24,829 --> 00:51:22,920
purposes so I I think this is very very

1246
00:51:28,010 --> 00:51:24,839
important I think you know it could be a

1247
00:51:29,270 --> 00:51:28,020
national security issue for the um the

1248
00:51:31,670 --> 00:51:29,280
US

1249
00:51:33,410 --> 00:51:31,680
um but also I think it could um it could

1250
00:51:35,690 --> 00:51:33,420
really improve and benefit everyone's

1251
00:51:37,430 --> 00:51:35,700
lives and I think also although you may

1252
00:51:39,770 --> 00:51:37,440
have a competition right now existing

1253
00:51:42,829 --> 00:51:39,780
between you know China

1254
00:51:44,210 --> 00:51:42,839
um and the us on this technology I I

1255
00:51:46,069 --> 00:51:44,220
feel that kind of

1256
00:51:49,549 --> 00:51:46,079
um you know bringing this out could

1257
00:51:53,210 --> 00:51:49,559
potentially hope we hope bring Nations

1258
00:51:55,730 --> 00:51:53,220
together and um yes you know make it

1259
00:51:57,530 --> 00:51:55,740
make it make a real change because as I

1260
00:52:00,589 --> 00:51:57,540
said before you know we have nuclear

1261
00:52:02,569 --> 00:52:00,599
weapons now you know you the history of

1262
00:52:04,089 --> 00:52:02,579
humanity has always been got conflict

1263
00:52:06,349 --> 00:52:04,099
you know but before you know we had

1264
00:52:08,089 --> 00:52:06,359
Spears and swords and then we went to

1265
00:52:09,589 --> 00:52:08,099
guns and stuff like that cool cool but

1266
00:52:12,049 --> 00:52:09,599
but now we've got nukes you know so

1267
00:52:14,990 --> 00:52:12,059
there is government you know that's like

1268
00:52:16,730 --> 00:52:15,000
that's everything I I I don't know if

1269
00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:16,740
that's sustainable

1270
00:52:21,650 --> 00:52:20,160
um probably so yeah I I I think there

1271
00:52:22,970 --> 00:52:21,660
are good people out there who do think

1272
00:52:24,950 --> 00:52:22,980
it's a bigger picture as well you know

1273
00:52:26,930 --> 00:52:24,960
we like to think is this like monolithic

1274
00:52:29,089 --> 00:52:26,940
thing in terms of US Government oh it's

1275
00:52:30,650 --> 00:52:29,099
lucky but no these things are made out

1276
00:52:32,930 --> 00:52:30,660
of individuals like you and me you know

1277
00:52:34,190 --> 00:52:32,940
we all have our personalities and stuff

1278
00:52:36,290 --> 00:52:34,200
you know if you go into like an office

1279
00:52:37,370 --> 00:52:36,300
Lockheed Martin you know you'll have one

1280
00:52:45,190 --> 00:52:37,380
guy

1281
00:52:50,450 --> 00:52:47,270
you know he could have been like a peace

1282
00:52:52,790 --> 00:52:50,460
activist back in the 90s and and naughty

1283
00:52:54,470 --> 00:52:52,800
as opposed in the interact War you know

1284
00:52:56,089 --> 00:52:54,480
um you could you know you might have

1285
00:52:57,290 --> 00:52:56,099
some people with thoughts as well um

1286
00:52:59,510 --> 00:52:57,300
with thoughts as well you can have an

1287
00:53:01,370 --> 00:52:59,520
alcoholic you can have a womanizer all

1288
00:53:02,870 --> 00:53:01,380
I'm getting across is easy human beings

1289
00:53:05,089 --> 00:53:02,880
you know you can't think of these as

1290
00:53:07,670 --> 00:53:05,099
monolithic things

1291
00:53:09,530 --> 00:53:07,680
um so hey Chris I think there are

1292
00:53:11,750 --> 00:53:09,540
motives there to get this out yeah Chris

1293
00:53:14,270 --> 00:53:11,760
I I consider myself a peace loving

1294
00:53:16,190 --> 00:53:14,280
hippie and I have 12 deployments none of

1295
00:53:19,490 --> 00:53:16,200
which I accomplish anything like what

1296
00:53:21,230 --> 00:53:19,500
David Rush did so so uh but I still

1297
00:53:22,370 --> 00:53:21,240
think of myself as a Woodstock love and

1298
00:53:24,589 --> 00:53:22,380
hippie

1299
00:53:26,750 --> 00:53:24,599
um and and the the key points though

1300
00:53:28,609 --> 00:53:26,760
there of of of what you said is that the

1301
00:53:30,829 --> 00:53:28,619
reasons that he gave were first of all

1302
00:53:33,710 --> 00:53:30,839
illegalities of which he did not detail

1303
00:53:35,809 --> 00:53:33,720
what they all are but except for that

1304
00:53:37,849 --> 00:53:35,819
Congress it lacks congressional

1305
00:53:39,710 --> 00:53:37,859
oversight which is illegal and then

1306
00:53:42,530 --> 00:53:39,720
there are other things detail that are

1307
00:53:44,750 --> 00:53:42,540
that we don't know what they are but uh

1308
00:53:46,730 --> 00:53:44,760
I don't know if if harassment or

1309
00:53:48,589 --> 00:53:46,740
intimidation if he he mentioned that and

1310
00:53:51,230 --> 00:53:48,599
the other thing was he said humanity is

1311
00:53:54,349 --> 00:53:51,240
not benefiting we're not solved using

1312
00:53:56,450 --> 00:53:54,359
this getting all you know broader look

1313
00:53:59,690 --> 00:53:56,460
at this that you alluded to so that we

1314
00:54:02,750 --> 00:53:59,700
could solve problems like energy a real

1315
00:54:04,490 --> 00:54:02,760
world problems uh you know uh propulsion

1316
00:54:06,770 --> 00:54:04,500
you know that maybe doesn't have a

1317
00:54:09,170 --> 00:54:06,780
greenhouse effect so they're all you

1318
00:54:11,510 --> 00:54:09,180
know cup two major major issues right

1319
00:54:13,430 --> 00:54:11,520
there that he thinks potentially could

1320
00:54:15,290 --> 00:54:13,440
be solved by this Tech if the right

1321
00:54:17,809 --> 00:54:15,300
people were looking at it regarding the

1322
00:54:20,270 --> 00:54:17,819
contracts they don't uh they only run

1323
00:54:23,089 --> 00:54:20,280
I'd have to go into that my acquisition

1324
00:54:25,609 --> 00:54:23,099
stuff but um they only run like four

1325
00:54:27,950 --> 00:54:25,619
years at a pop but but he also alluded

1326
00:54:30,109 --> 00:54:27,960
to there's some sole source uh

1327
00:54:32,150 --> 00:54:30,119
Contracting that's going on which means

1328
00:54:34,190 --> 00:54:32,160
that you can't get multiple

1329
00:54:36,890 --> 00:54:34,200
organizations that have all these

1330
00:54:40,490 --> 00:54:36,900
different uh talents maybe somebody has

1331
00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:40,500
MIT grad students and professors that

1332
00:54:43,849 --> 00:54:42,000
are part of their talent pool but they

1333
00:54:45,950 --> 00:54:43,859
didn't get to bid on it because it only

1334
00:54:48,230 --> 00:54:45,960
it went sole source so he has an issue

1335
00:54:49,970 --> 00:54:48,240
with that uh but anyway let's go around

1336
00:54:51,650 --> 00:54:49,980
to Matt because we're getting really

1337
00:54:53,690 --> 00:54:51,660
short on time I want to get Christopher

1338
00:54:56,930 --> 00:54:53,700
to bed so that his hair looks this good

1339
00:54:58,370 --> 00:54:56,940
tomorrow Matt what what what did you uh

1340
00:55:00,230 --> 00:54:58,380
what do you think people should know

1341
00:55:01,750 --> 00:55:00,240
about this and and especially you know

1342
00:55:05,870 --> 00:55:01,760
you're coming from the Bigfoot community

1343
00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:05,880
so I I really value uh the way that you

1344
00:55:10,130 --> 00:55:06,960
might look at this because you're

1345
00:55:11,450 --> 00:55:10,140
outside the bubble to a degree

1346
00:55:14,630 --> 00:55:11,460
yeah

1347
00:55:16,910 --> 00:55:14,640
um a lot of uh my own research was based

1348
00:55:19,549 --> 00:55:16,920
in common sense and logic uh first and

1349
00:55:23,210 --> 00:55:19,559
you know following the evidence but also

1350
00:55:24,890 --> 00:55:23,220
as a podcaster dealing with Witnesses I

1351
00:55:28,130 --> 00:55:24,900
talked to Witnesses from all different

1352
00:55:29,690 --> 00:55:28,140
spectrums of life you know and uh the

1353
00:55:31,010 --> 00:55:29,700
human element like Christopher's talking

1354
00:55:33,170 --> 00:55:31,020
about is

1355
00:55:36,049 --> 00:55:33,180
something that can't be forgotten in

1356
00:55:39,890 --> 00:55:36,059
this scenario uh David's got a family

1357
00:55:43,910 --> 00:55:39,900
you know he's got friends he the skin in

1358
00:55:46,670 --> 00:55:43,920
the game goes way out far beyond careers

1359
00:55:49,069 --> 00:55:46,680
or money or anything like that uh so

1360
00:55:51,230 --> 00:55:49,079
like I understand why he would do

1361
00:55:53,870 --> 00:55:51,240
something like this as far as

1362
00:55:55,549 --> 00:55:53,880
you know his integrity and why people

1363
00:55:58,490 --> 00:55:55,559
should believe him

1364
00:56:01,130 --> 00:55:58,500
uh yeah he's been vetted by the largest

1365
00:56:03,290 --> 00:56:01,140
vetting machine in the world

1366
00:56:05,030 --> 00:56:03,300
and if you couldn't trust him he

1367
00:56:06,710 --> 00:56:05,040
wouldn't have had his position

1368
00:56:09,109 --> 00:56:06,720
period he wouldn't have been in the

1369
00:56:11,450 --> 00:56:09,119
position to find out this information I

1370
00:56:13,190 --> 00:56:11,460
also think a big thing to pay attention

1371
00:56:19,250 --> 00:56:13,200
to

1372
00:56:20,450 --> 00:56:19,260
things went down back whenever I was in

1373
00:56:23,329 --> 00:56:20,460
my 20s

1374
00:56:24,890 --> 00:56:23,339
I had to take somebody out this is where

1375
00:56:26,450 --> 00:56:24,900
the body's buried

1376
00:56:28,910 --> 00:56:26,460
and you're trusting me with that

1377
00:56:31,250 --> 00:56:28,920
information and I'm not going to tell

1378
00:56:33,890 --> 00:56:31,260
anybody that you did it or anything but

1379
00:56:35,750 --> 00:56:33,900
if I decide at some point you know this

1380
00:56:37,370 --> 00:56:35,760
information has to come out for the

1381
00:56:39,470 --> 00:56:37,380
greater good

1382
00:56:41,690 --> 00:56:39,480
I'm gonna give you a heads up and I'm

1383
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:41,700
gonna let you know hey I'm I'm gonna

1384
00:56:45,530 --> 00:56:43,440
come forward with the information I just

1385
00:56:46,970 --> 00:56:45,540
need to let you know so these other

1386
00:56:51,589 --> 00:56:46,980
sources of his

1387
00:56:53,329 --> 00:56:51,599
uh I I do think that there's a very

1388
00:56:55,190 --> 00:56:53,339
large potential for those sources to

1389
00:56:58,730 --> 00:56:55,200
come forward in the future depending on

1390
00:57:00,829 --> 00:56:58,740
how this plays out I also think that

1391
00:57:03,589 --> 00:57:00,839
other government entities around the

1392
00:57:05,690 --> 00:57:03,599
world are watching the United States to

1393
00:57:06,950 --> 00:57:05,700
see how it's handled because they were

1394
00:57:08,809 --> 00:57:06,960
implicated in having their own

1395
00:57:11,450 --> 00:57:08,819
departments doing the same thing this is

1396
00:57:13,930 --> 00:57:11,460
not restricted to the United States

1397
00:57:17,210 --> 00:57:13,940
that's right Global thing

1398
00:57:19,490 --> 00:57:17,220
and China and Russia yes but then

1399
00:57:22,549 --> 00:57:19,500
there's also Italy there's also other

1400
00:57:25,089 --> 00:57:22,559
countries uh the UK

1401
00:57:27,290 --> 00:57:25,099
that are friendly with the United States

1402
00:57:29,990 --> 00:57:27,300
that are watching the United States

1403
00:57:32,750 --> 00:57:30,000
right to see how we handle this and like

1404
00:57:35,569 --> 00:57:32,760
if the information if it comes out that

1405
00:57:37,790 --> 00:57:35,579
like all this is substantiated these

1406
00:57:40,190 --> 00:57:37,800
departments exist then you might see

1407
00:57:41,690 --> 00:57:40,200
those doors opening over on the other

1408
00:57:43,549 --> 00:57:41,700
side of the pond where they're like yeah

1409
00:57:46,370 --> 00:57:43,559
and here's what our department has found

1410
00:57:47,990 --> 00:57:46,380
and I think that might be the key to

1411
00:57:50,089 --> 00:57:48,000
Bringing these people together in these

1412
00:57:53,089 --> 00:57:50,099
different countries and working together

1413
00:57:55,010 --> 00:57:53,099
on this as a global phenomenon and not

1414
00:57:57,650 --> 00:57:55,020
you know keeping those divisions between

1415
00:57:59,450 --> 00:57:57,660
us yeah right yeah

1416
00:58:02,930 --> 00:57:59,460
you're right on the money great great

1417
00:58:04,730 --> 00:58:02,940
points uh yeah and uh people that say

1418
00:58:07,010 --> 00:58:04,740
that oh the U.S is controlling this

1419
00:58:09,650 --> 00:58:07,020
topic you know last time I checked uh we

1420
00:58:12,430 --> 00:58:09,660
have weren't rolling tanks into Germany

1421
00:58:15,589 --> 00:58:12,440
or Italy or any of these other countries

1422
00:58:17,930 --> 00:58:15,599
Japan any of these other countries uh

1423
00:58:21,230 --> 00:58:17,940
that likely have a program albeit

1424
00:58:22,790 --> 00:58:21,240
smaller than ours uh that that have

1425
00:58:24,230 --> 00:58:22,800
decided that it's in their interest not

1426
00:58:26,930 --> 00:58:24,240
to talk about it for whatever that

1427
00:58:30,170 --> 00:58:26,940
reason is I can't guess to why that is I

1428
00:58:31,670 --> 00:58:30,180
could guess but it pure speculation

1429
00:58:33,530 --> 00:58:31,680
um but they've decided not to speak

1430
00:58:36,650 --> 00:58:33,540
about it

1431
00:58:38,870 --> 00:58:36,660
um Matt just like that guy who saw the

1432
00:58:40,910 --> 00:58:38,880
the yowie down in Australia and went and

1433
00:58:42,950 --> 00:58:40,920
reported it in two different law

1434
00:58:44,329 --> 00:58:42,960
enforcement agencies basically said will

1435
00:58:46,370 --> 00:58:44,339
you get the hell out of here like go

1436
00:58:49,309 --> 00:58:46,380
back to Sydney and get on a plane and go

1437
00:58:51,349 --> 00:58:49,319
back to New York uh and he's like wait I

1438
00:58:54,230 --> 00:58:51,359
just saw yaoi and they're like yeah get

1439
00:58:55,609 --> 00:58:54,240
out of here so they've decided it's not

1440
00:58:57,890 --> 00:58:55,619
in their interest to talk about it for

1441
00:59:00,049 --> 00:58:57,900
whatever reason Deb uh what do you think

1442
00:59:02,450 --> 00:59:00,059
people should know you you have been

1443
00:59:04,190 --> 00:59:02,460
very passionate about disclosure and

1444
00:59:06,289 --> 00:59:04,200
getting people ready for something that

1445
00:59:08,990 --> 00:59:06,299
may occur Deb you've spoken many times

1446
00:59:11,150 --> 00:59:09,000
about what David has said that people

1447
00:59:13,069 --> 00:59:11,160
need to be prepared for a contact

1448
00:59:14,870 --> 00:59:13,079
scenario I'm not saying that's what you

1449
00:59:17,569 --> 00:59:14,880
want to talk about today but please the

1450
00:59:19,250 --> 00:59:17,579
floor is yours ma'am I think the other

1451
00:59:21,770 --> 00:59:19,260
part of this is that it of course

1452
00:59:24,829 --> 00:59:21,780
highlights other people who have come

1453
00:59:27,890 --> 00:59:24,839
before him and lets the government know

1454
00:59:30,589 --> 00:59:27,900
that others will follow after

1455
00:59:32,930 --> 00:59:30,599
um I think that he is showing that those

1456
00:59:36,109 --> 00:59:32,940
others that will follow after

1457
00:59:37,910 --> 00:59:36,119
have credentials and that they are being

1458
00:59:40,130 --> 00:59:37,920
responsible with how they're presenting

1459
00:59:42,770 --> 00:59:40,140
the information and they've learned from

1460
00:59:44,870 --> 00:59:42,780
the previous mistakes that were made by

1461
00:59:47,450 --> 00:59:44,880
prior whistleblowers and they're going

1462
00:59:54,069 --> 00:59:47,460
to dot all the eyes and cross all the

1463
00:59:58,309 --> 00:59:56,390
yeah I want to say I mean uh Richard

1464
01:00:00,890 --> 00:59:58,319
Dodie has basically come out and said

1465
01:00:03,049 --> 01:00:00,900
the very very same things that David

1466
01:00:04,849 --> 01:00:03,059
grush said and while people say that

1467
01:00:07,190 --> 01:00:04,859
he's a disinformation agent I think

1468
01:00:08,750 --> 01:00:07,200
they're missing the point he was not a

1469
01:00:11,870 --> 01:00:08,760
disinformation agent to the American

1470
01:00:14,390 --> 01:00:11,880
people he was a disinformation agent to

1471
01:00:17,030 --> 01:00:14,400
his Target which was Bob benowitz which

1472
01:00:19,609 --> 01:00:17,040
he was told and ordered to feed him

1473
01:00:22,069 --> 01:00:19,619
disinformation because uh Bob was

1474
01:00:23,510 --> 01:00:22,079
recording classified information going

1475
01:00:25,670 --> 01:00:23,520
on at Kirtland that they didn't want

1476
01:00:28,670 --> 01:00:25,680
people to know

1477
01:00:31,130 --> 01:00:28,680
um and that and he said that he was

1478
01:00:32,990 --> 01:00:31,140
right into these programs many of the

1479
01:00:35,510 --> 01:00:33,000
things that David alluded to Richard

1480
01:00:38,329 --> 01:00:35,520
Doty has already said obviously Bob

1481
01:00:40,730 --> 01:00:38,339
Lazar has already said I believe both of

1482
01:00:42,829 --> 01:00:40,740
those guys that's my own personal I have

1483
01:00:44,750 --> 01:00:42,839
my own reasons why

1484
01:00:47,390 --> 01:00:44,760
um Richard Doty obviously feels really

1485
01:00:49,190 --> 01:00:47,400
bad about what happened with Bob

1486
01:00:51,470 --> 01:00:49,200
benowitz expressed that on this program

1487
01:00:53,329 --> 01:00:51,480
without being asked to and he expressed

1488
01:00:55,010 --> 01:00:53,339
it to his family

1489
01:00:56,809 --> 01:00:55,020
um and that's why there's never been a

1490
01:00:59,030 --> 01:00:56,819
civil action by his family against

1491
01:01:01,130 --> 01:00:59,040
Richard Doty which they could have if

1492
01:01:03,530 --> 01:01:01,140
they thought that they had a case or if

1493
01:01:05,390 --> 01:01:03,540
they thought he was culpable

1494
01:01:08,990 --> 01:01:05,400
um what I think people should know is

1495
01:01:11,089 --> 01:01:09,000
that for now if you go down and I'm

1496
01:01:14,210 --> 01:01:11,099
gonna pass it to Sean after this if you

1497
01:01:16,549 --> 01:01:14,220
go down the conspiracy rabbit hole that

1498
01:01:18,650 --> 01:01:16,559
everything's a conspiracy everything's a

1499
01:01:20,450 --> 01:01:18,660
work you'll never emerge from that

1500
01:01:23,150 --> 01:01:20,460
rabbit hole to learn anything or believe

1501
01:01:26,450 --> 01:01:23,160
anything and if that's the place that

1502
01:01:29,870 --> 01:01:26,460
you feel safe that's okay you be there

1503
01:01:32,690 --> 01:01:29,880
it's not for me or anybody in this panel

1504
01:01:34,789 --> 01:01:32,700
or David grush or Ross Colt art or

1505
01:01:37,069 --> 01:01:34,799
Jeremy Corbell to convince you as

1506
01:01:39,470 --> 01:01:37,079
Christopher said of anything it's not

1507
01:01:42,049 --> 01:01:39,480
our job to convince you of anything

1508
01:01:44,390 --> 01:01:42,059
we're telling you what what we

1509
01:01:47,630 --> 01:01:44,400
understand what we see based on our

1510
01:01:50,210 --> 01:01:47,640
expertise based on sources and based on

1511
01:01:52,430 --> 01:01:50,220
the likelihood that people are telling

1512
01:01:54,349 --> 01:01:52,440
the truth it's one thing to have a tssci

1513
01:01:56,390 --> 01:01:54,359
clearance Sean's had one I've had one

1514
01:01:58,970 --> 01:01:56,400
another thing to have tssci with

1515
01:02:01,789 --> 01:01:58,980
multiple polygraphs uh where they can

1516
01:02:04,670 --> 01:02:01,799
find out if you're hiding something they

1517
01:02:07,910 --> 01:02:04,680
will find it trust me especially and he

1518
01:02:10,549 --> 01:02:07,920
said when he said uh I passed a lot of

1519
01:02:12,589 --> 01:02:10,559
polygraphs and that's how I was able he

1520
01:02:16,190 --> 01:02:12,599
said I could have been read into any

1521
01:02:18,589 --> 01:02:16,200
program because of all those polygraphs

1522
01:02:21,890 --> 01:02:18,599
that he passed which is not everyone who

1523
01:02:25,130 --> 01:02:21,900
has a tssci does not have a tssci poly

1524
01:02:27,170 --> 01:02:25,140
as the dod uh refers to it and the

1525
01:02:30,109 --> 01:02:27,180
department of energy may have their own

1526
01:02:31,490 --> 01:02:30,119
cookie system or or the CIA I I don't

1527
01:02:33,650 --> 01:02:31,500
know I'm not familiar with their

1528
01:02:36,589 --> 01:02:33,660
classification systems and their their

1529
01:02:38,870 --> 01:02:36,599
clearance systems rather so

1530
01:02:41,410 --> 01:02:38,880
um the best that we have for now is to

1531
01:02:44,210 --> 01:02:41,420
take it at face value what he has said

1532
01:02:47,030 --> 01:02:44,220
for all the reasons that Sean listed out

1533
01:02:50,030 --> 01:02:47,040
I'm not going to to reiterate them but

1534
01:02:52,730 --> 01:02:50,040
for now that's where we are

1535
01:02:54,710 --> 01:02:52,740
um he's an honest person who did this a

1536
01:02:57,589 --> 01:02:54,720
great personal loss and he did it

1537
01:03:00,109 --> 01:02:57,599
legally not by leaking anything he did

1538
01:03:02,990 --> 01:03:00,119
this by the book using the processes

1539
01:03:05,990 --> 01:03:03,000
that were laid out for him after a

1540
01:03:10,069 --> 01:03:06,000
four-year investigation by the way

1541
01:03:11,870 --> 01:03:10,079
people that vetted uh uh David before

1542
01:03:14,030 --> 01:03:11,880
coming forward with the story Ross

1543
01:03:16,430 --> 01:03:14,040
koltard himself

1544
01:03:17,990 --> 01:03:16,440
um Ralph Blumenthal and Leslie Kane

1545
01:03:24,890 --> 01:03:18,000
independently

1546
01:03:27,589 --> 01:03:24,900
all I know Sean I have also done his

1547
01:03:30,109 --> 01:03:27,599
um I spoke to somebody who is very

1548
01:03:33,470 --> 01:03:30,119
friendly has a friendly professional and

1549
01:03:36,049 --> 01:03:33,480
personal relationship uh with him uh not

1550
01:03:39,349 --> 01:03:36,059
that I'm I'm nobody but I mean news now

1551
01:03:42,410 --> 01:03:39,359
probably did their own did their own uh

1552
01:03:44,630 --> 01:03:42,420
thing through there uh their sources so

1553
01:03:47,030 --> 01:03:44,640
there's at least four to five levels

1554
01:03:50,210 --> 01:03:47,040
that you would care about of people that

1555
01:03:52,069 --> 01:03:50,220
that vetted this this gentleman uh not

1556
01:03:56,630 --> 01:03:52,079
to mention the person and I said look

1557
01:04:00,349 --> 01:03:58,490
um that that's that's how good he was so

1558
01:04:01,910 --> 01:04:00,359
anyway that's why I think you should

1559
01:04:03,890 --> 01:04:01,920
just take the information at face value

1560
01:04:05,450 --> 01:04:03,900
I'm not telling you to believe it but

1561
01:04:08,390 --> 01:04:05,460
I'm I'm trying to tell you that the man

1562
01:04:11,030 --> 01:04:08,400
is credible and he put his money where

1563
01:04:13,309 --> 01:04:11,040
his mouth is Sean

1564
01:04:16,190 --> 01:04:13,319
um I guess I would try to look at so

1565
01:04:18,289 --> 01:04:16,200
when you I try to do in my analysis I do

1566
01:04:20,030 --> 01:04:18,299
micro and then macro as well just zoom

1567
01:04:21,650 --> 01:04:20,040
in zoom out zoom in zoom out so that way

1568
01:04:23,569 --> 01:04:21,660
you're not always you don't end up

1569
01:04:26,690 --> 01:04:23,579
having tunnel vision you're a sensor

1570
01:04:27,530 --> 01:04:26,700
operator I'm just kidding go ahead I end

1571
01:04:31,730 --> 01:04:27,540
up

1572
01:04:33,710 --> 01:04:31,740
um with um Mr grush at the latest person

1573
01:04:35,809 --> 01:04:33,720
to come forward and I say latest because

1574
01:04:37,190 --> 01:04:35,819
let's start with Luella zondo let's go

1575
01:04:40,130 --> 01:04:37,200
to Lou Elizondo

1576
01:04:42,890 --> 01:04:40,140
so you know director of ATF but when he

1577
01:04:44,390 --> 01:04:42,900
was brought in atip he's mentioned this

1578
01:04:45,710 --> 01:04:44,400
a couple times and they asked what do

1579
01:04:47,210 --> 01:04:45,720
you think about UFOs he goes I don't

1580
01:04:50,150 --> 01:04:47,220
think about UFOs

1581
01:04:54,190 --> 01:04:50,160
yeah he's a career counterintelligence

1582
01:05:00,049 --> 01:04:57,549
counterintelligence officer right so and

1583
01:05:02,150 --> 01:05:00,059
I personally know people that have done

1584
01:05:03,650 --> 01:05:02,160
interrogations with him

1585
01:05:06,770 --> 01:05:03,660
either people have deployed with or

1586
01:05:09,109 --> 01:05:06,780
other right multiple people that have

1587
01:05:10,549 --> 01:05:09,119
gone on and for their own career and

1588
01:05:12,109 --> 01:05:10,559
when he first came out I went straight

1589
01:05:13,609 --> 01:05:12,119
to them right to them you know this

1590
01:05:15,049 --> 01:05:13,619
person all you do how do you know them

1591
01:05:16,910 --> 01:05:15,059
and I sat down with people that I know

1592
01:05:18,230 --> 01:05:16,920
personally and I've deployed with and

1593
01:05:19,849 --> 01:05:18,240
that and there's there's people that are

1594
01:05:22,250 --> 01:05:19,859
even closer than that

1595
01:05:23,329 --> 01:05:22,260
um to know who this is but here you have

1596
01:05:24,470 --> 01:05:23,339
an individual that does not think about

1597
01:05:26,690 --> 01:05:24,480
UFOs

1598
01:05:28,970 --> 01:05:26,700
gets put into position because they they

1599
01:05:31,010 --> 01:05:28,980
need a counterintelligence person there

1600
01:05:33,950 --> 01:05:31,020
or whatever position that he had and

1601
01:05:37,010 --> 01:05:33,960
then now he's made it part of his life

1602
01:05:39,770 --> 01:05:37,020
Journey that this needs to be addressed

1603
01:05:42,410 --> 01:05:39,780
so that's that's person one person two

1604
01:05:45,289 --> 01:05:42,420
Jay Stratton a career intelligence

1605
01:05:47,870 --> 01:05:45,299
person from like what the DIA or his own

1606
01:05:50,030 --> 01:05:47,880
career path right gets put in this

1607
01:05:54,109 --> 01:05:50,040
position and now

1608
01:05:56,630 --> 01:05:54,119
is public as a public persona on this

1609
01:05:59,870 --> 01:05:56,640
topic still has a career going on so

1610
01:06:02,270 --> 01:05:59,880
does Elizondo in the field or or uh

1611
01:06:04,730 --> 01:06:02,280
peripheral of the fields that that they

1612
01:06:06,230 --> 01:06:04,740
have or whatever their expertise that

1613
01:06:07,609 --> 01:06:06,240
they've gathered over the years so

1614
01:06:12,230 --> 01:06:07,619
they're both working in there regular

1615
01:06:15,109 --> 01:06:12,240
but they're also vocal proponent of

1616
01:06:17,510 --> 01:06:15,119
people that are um making sure or trying

1617
01:06:19,549 --> 01:06:17,520
to influence for this topic to move

1618
01:06:21,650 --> 01:06:19,559
forward and have more transparency so

1619
01:06:23,750 --> 01:06:21,660
that's number two number three

1620
01:06:26,089 --> 01:06:23,760
you have Mr rush now that's come forward

1621
01:06:27,529 --> 01:06:26,099
so now this is an individual again that

1622
01:06:30,710 --> 01:06:27,539
his own career path at different

1623
01:06:34,250 --> 01:06:30,720
agencies versus the Air Force then the

1624
01:06:36,890 --> 01:06:34,260
nro and then the NGA and now and then he

1625
01:06:38,630 --> 01:06:36,900
worked in this as it was exposed to the

1626
01:06:41,150 --> 01:06:38,640
information that's available in the

1627
01:06:43,190 --> 01:06:41,160
classified realm and

1628
01:06:46,370 --> 01:06:43,200
has come across things at his own

1629
01:06:49,609 --> 01:06:46,380
agencies it's it's my speculation okay

1630
01:06:51,289 --> 01:06:49,619
knowing from what I know from my time as

1631
01:06:54,170 --> 01:06:51,299
an intelligence analyst the things that

1632
01:06:56,930 --> 01:06:54,180
I came across is that came across other

1633
01:06:58,789 --> 01:06:56,940
things right and now he's a proponent of

1634
01:07:00,950 --> 01:06:58,799
this topic and he's trying to push it

1635
01:07:03,470 --> 01:07:00,960
and actually left

1636
01:07:04,849 --> 01:07:03,480
a lucrative career in the intelligence

1637
01:07:06,349 --> 01:07:04,859
field where he would have could have had

1638
01:07:09,309 --> 01:07:06,359
his real estate business on the side

1639
01:07:12,710 --> 01:07:09,319
making 177 some thousand dollars a year

1640
01:07:16,430 --> 01:07:12,720
private jets uh traveling everywhere

1641
01:07:18,829 --> 01:07:16,440
nice quiet behind the scenes person with

1642
01:07:22,250 --> 01:07:18,839
the great pension a great retirement has

1643
01:07:24,410 --> 01:07:22,260
left all of that because in in according

1644
01:07:27,230 --> 01:07:24,420
to him is his mission to move this

1645
01:07:29,990 --> 01:07:27,240
forward because you know you can have

1646
01:07:32,089 --> 01:07:30,000
you know classify Parts just like the

1647
01:07:33,770 --> 01:07:32,099
the nuclear weapons program a nuclear

1648
01:07:36,650 --> 01:07:33,780
program but

1649
01:07:38,390 --> 01:07:36,660
the housing Source open program where

1650
01:07:40,370 --> 01:07:38,400
it's academics and see it and you know

1651
01:07:42,349 --> 01:07:40,380
we can move our science forward so

1652
01:07:43,970 --> 01:07:42,359
that's number three I guess number four

1653
01:07:46,430 --> 01:07:43,980
that we really haven't talked about but

1654
01:07:50,329 --> 01:07:46,440
there's probably other ones but

1655
01:07:53,270 --> 01:07:50,339
um retired Colonel uh Carl Nell who

1656
01:07:55,370 --> 01:07:53,280
came forward was in Army liaison so you

1657
01:07:57,650 --> 01:07:55,380
have an army liaison now and I guess we

1658
01:08:00,529 --> 01:07:57,660
only have I guess one quote

1659
01:08:02,450 --> 01:08:00,539
uh in the debrief article is that he had

1660
01:08:05,630 --> 01:08:02,460
said that what

1661
01:08:08,450 --> 01:08:05,640
um Mr grushes basically said was what

1662
01:08:10,309 --> 01:08:08,460
was this is was fundamentally correct so

1663
01:08:12,829 --> 01:08:10,319
from his own perspective as an army

1664
01:08:15,289 --> 01:08:12,839
liaison of UAP task force is that from

1665
01:08:17,930 --> 01:08:15,299
his own experience that what Russia is

1666
01:08:18,829 --> 01:08:17,940
saying was fundamentally correct so now

1667
01:08:20,630 --> 01:08:18,839
you have

1668
01:08:23,450 --> 01:08:20,640
quartz of this

1669
01:08:27,050 --> 01:08:23,460
maybe no fire yet but there is smoke

1670
01:08:29,570 --> 01:08:27,060
every day it was billowing out of that

1671
01:08:32,450 --> 01:08:29,580
house okay and

1672
01:08:34,610 --> 01:08:32,460
you can either ignore it still or it

1673
01:08:37,970 --> 01:08:34,620
again I'm inviting the people of this

1674
01:08:41,870 --> 01:08:37,980
this to just be a quietly agnostic and

1675
01:08:44,030 --> 01:08:41,880
just sit back and allow these people

1676
01:08:46,370 --> 01:08:44,040
to let the processes that they've

1677
01:08:47,809 --> 01:08:46,380
initiated work its way out

1678
01:08:50,030 --> 01:08:47,819
because attacking their their

1679
01:08:52,450 --> 01:08:50,040
credibility or having something all that

1680
01:08:54,309 --> 01:08:52,460
is mannerisms he looked left he looked

1681
01:08:58,430 --> 01:08:54,319
what are you doing

1682
01:09:00,829 --> 01:08:58,440
don't deserve that they don't deserve

1683
01:09:03,709 --> 01:09:00,839
that wait till they actually did some do

1684
01:09:05,870 --> 01:09:03,719
something that's false or wrong you know

1685
01:09:07,550 --> 01:09:05,880
don't try to interject or speculate

1686
01:09:09,829 --> 01:09:07,560
you're not doing anybody any favors

1687
01:09:12,349 --> 01:09:09,839
you're not doing Society anything

1688
01:09:13,849 --> 01:09:12,359
just let the process go out if the

1689
01:09:15,550 --> 01:09:13,859
Inspector General comes out and says

1690
01:09:17,630 --> 01:09:15,560
that you know uh these claims are

1691
01:09:19,849 --> 01:09:17,640
unsubstantiated or congressional

1692
01:09:21,470 --> 01:09:19,859
committees you know if if those come out

1693
01:09:23,150 --> 01:09:21,480
and say that you know we don't we don't

1694
01:09:25,550 --> 01:09:23,160
believe this person because of X Y and Z

1695
01:09:28,490 --> 01:09:25,560
let's track those down too let's see if

1696
01:09:29,870 --> 01:09:28,500
if those facts are you know have

1697
01:09:32,390 --> 01:09:29,880
evidence behind them and then go from

1698
01:09:33,769 --> 01:09:32,400
there but to put a person on this that

1699
01:09:35,930 --> 01:09:33,779
I'm a

1700
01:09:37,749 --> 01:09:35,940
I'm looking at them through a 20-minute

1701
01:09:41,510 --> 01:09:37,759
interview

1702
01:09:43,130 --> 01:09:41,520
I took a class in this man in mannerisms

1703
01:09:45,110 --> 01:09:43,140
give me a break

1704
01:09:45,950 --> 01:09:45,120
I would I wouldn't put that in front of

1705
01:09:49,910 --> 01:09:45,960
a jury

1706
01:09:52,309 --> 01:09:49,920
get out of your [\h__\h] mind Sean I went

1707
01:09:55,669 --> 01:09:52,319
to Framingham Community College and took

1708
01:09:58,669 --> 01:09:55,679
a class in mannerisms

1709
01:10:00,590 --> 01:09:58,679
don't suck body language homes so you

1710
01:10:02,810 --> 01:10:00,600
have four career people with different

1711
01:10:05,390 --> 01:10:02,820
career paths that came across this

1712
01:10:10,790 --> 01:10:05,400
organization came across the evidence

1713
01:10:13,010 --> 01:10:10,800
that exists or the uh you know the gaps

1714
01:10:15,050 --> 01:10:13,020
in information and all they're saying is

1715
01:10:16,910 --> 01:10:15,060
let's track this [\h__\h] down

1716
01:10:20,990 --> 01:10:16,920
all gracious saying is that these people

1717
01:10:23,330 --> 01:10:21,000
yes claim that work in these programs

1718
01:10:25,370 --> 01:10:23,340
are saying that this is happening track

1719
01:10:28,729 --> 01:10:25,380
it down that's it

1720
01:10:31,370 --> 01:10:28,739
he he said Dr Sean Kirkpatrick please uh

1721
01:10:33,649 --> 01:10:31,380
I I gave told him you gave him the

1722
01:10:35,270 --> 01:10:33,659
information I had he has my number he

1723
01:10:37,070 --> 01:10:35,280
hasn't called me you know basically he

1724
01:10:41,090 --> 01:10:37,080
said he could go down the exact same

1725
01:10:43,430 --> 01:10:41,100
routes that I went but he when David

1726
01:10:45,770 --> 01:10:43,440
went to go down those routes and ask for

1727
01:10:48,169 --> 01:10:45,780
Access and was denied is when the

1728
01:10:49,550 --> 01:10:48,179
trouble started and Sean Kirkpatrick's

1729
01:10:53,510 --> 01:10:49,560
probably looking and going you know what

1730
01:10:54,649 --> 01:10:53,520
my my I I went on the grb calculator my

1731
01:10:56,450 --> 01:10:54,659
retirement where the government's

1732
01:10:58,610 --> 01:10:56,460
looking really good and I don't want to

1733
01:11:00,110 --> 01:10:58,620
screw this up so

1734
01:11:02,930 --> 01:11:00,120
um Christopher so what I want to do is

1735
01:11:05,570 --> 01:11:02,940
I'm going to get a parting shot from you

1736
01:11:07,850 --> 01:11:05,580
and then go with cabbie goodbyes and and

1737
01:11:09,410 --> 01:11:07,860
for Matt I was going to say it there's

1738
01:11:11,510 --> 01:11:09,420
there's smoke we don't have the fire yet

1739
01:11:14,270 --> 01:11:11,520
Matt it's like we have we've seen the

1740
01:11:19,010 --> 01:11:14,280
footprints Bigfoot's Prince and we have

1741
01:11:21,830 --> 01:11:19,020
The Fosters lager can size feces uh but

1742
01:11:24,350 --> 01:11:21,840
we haven't just seen the fur yet

1743
01:11:25,970 --> 01:11:24,360
Christopher

1744
01:11:28,490 --> 01:11:25,980
no no

1745
01:11:31,729 --> 01:11:28,500
um I I yeah I think it's been so

1746
01:11:34,130 --> 01:11:31,739
insightful having this um podcast and

1747
01:11:34,910 --> 01:11:34,140
I've learned something from you all this

1748
01:11:37,490 --> 01:11:34,920
evening

1749
01:11:38,930 --> 01:11:37,500
um so thank you very much uh yeah I I

1750
01:11:42,350 --> 01:11:38,940
think

1751
01:11:45,290 --> 01:11:42,360
see

1752
01:11:47,030 --> 01:11:45,300
um how the process unfolds I think

1753
01:11:49,010 --> 01:11:47,040
you're going to see

1754
01:11:51,110 --> 01:11:49,020
um new intelligence authorization that

1755
01:11:53,209 --> 01:11:51,120
graph languages come out in addition to

1756
01:11:55,430 --> 01:11:53,219
National Defense authorization at

1757
01:11:57,950 --> 01:11:55,440
language command I think that that

1758
01:11:59,510 --> 01:11:57,960
should be very very interesting I think

1759
01:12:01,850 --> 01:11:59,520
um and also

1760
01:12:04,610 --> 01:12:01,860
um there's the oversight

1761
01:12:07,370 --> 01:12:04,620
um house oversight committee as well

1762
01:12:11,030 --> 01:12:07,380
um which may hold a public hearing

1763
01:12:14,090 --> 01:12:11,040
um relating to um to UAP let's see who

1764
01:12:16,370 --> 01:12:14,100
we get I mean is Dave gonna go and

1765
01:12:17,810 --> 01:12:16,380
testify before that committee um if so

1766
01:12:19,370 --> 01:12:17,820
that would be very very interesting

1767
01:12:23,209 --> 01:12:19,380
indeed

1768
01:12:26,090 --> 01:12:23,219
um and um yeah I I I mean from my

1769
01:12:28,370 --> 01:12:26,100
understanding there may be other

1770
01:12:30,709 --> 01:12:28,380
um committee hearings as well

1771
01:12:33,290 --> 01:12:30,719
um I'm not certain they will occur

1772
01:12:36,050 --> 01:12:33,300
before the summer recess

1773
01:12:37,209 --> 01:12:36,060
um and I can only say that the intent of

1774
01:12:39,590 --> 01:12:37,219
certain

1775
01:12:42,649 --> 01:12:39,600
members of other committed that say

1776
01:12:44,390 --> 01:12:42,659
within the Congress to hold hearings

1777
01:12:45,950 --> 01:12:44,400
um I don't know if they will definitely

1778
01:12:47,810 --> 01:12:45,960
happen but I said there's definitely

1779
01:12:49,729 --> 01:12:47,820
some intent to hold further hearings and

1780
01:12:51,410 --> 01:12:49,739
go further than the oversight

1781
01:12:52,250 --> 01:12:51,420
um community of the house

1782
01:12:54,050 --> 01:12:52,260
um so I think that'd be really

1783
01:12:55,729 --> 01:12:54,060
interesting and and yeah I think there's

1784
01:12:58,130 --> 01:12:55,739
some really really good excellent

1785
01:12:59,330 --> 01:12:58,140
journalists um looking into this deeper

1786
01:13:01,310 --> 01:12:59,340
now

1787
01:13:02,750 --> 01:13:01,320
um and I think if they dig in all the

1788
01:13:04,550 --> 01:13:02,760
correct holes

1789
01:13:07,189 --> 01:13:04,560
um I think that they'll um they'll find

1790
01:13:08,570 --> 01:13:07,199
a lot of um interesting stuff to report

1791
01:13:11,510 --> 01:13:08,580
on

1792
01:13:14,030 --> 01:13:11,520
um but yeah like um it's going to be a

1793
01:13:16,370 --> 01:13:14,040
very very interesting process and um I

1794
01:13:18,950 --> 01:13:16,380
think for those who complain previously

1795
01:13:21,050 --> 01:13:18,960
that this whole process has been so slow

1796
01:13:23,590 --> 01:13:21,060
uh I think it's gonna definitely going

1797
01:13:26,149 --> 01:13:23,600
to accelerate nowadays

1798
01:13:28,130 --> 01:13:26,159
and Chris is like no DJ it's gonna

1799
01:13:29,050 --> 01:13:28,140
happen and I was like yeah okay Chris

1800
01:13:31,850 --> 01:13:29,060
and then it happened

1801
01:13:34,490 --> 01:13:31,860
[Laughter]

1802
01:13:36,530 --> 01:13:34,500
you're right on the money Chris you're

1803
01:13:39,050 --> 01:13:36,540
right on the money uh and by the way

1804
01:13:41,390 --> 01:13:39,060
before I I get in trouble one of my

1805
01:13:43,490 --> 01:13:41,400
teammates from Dean is the Deputy police

1806
01:13:45,290 --> 01:13:43,500
chief of Framingham so I wasn't trying

1807
01:13:48,169 --> 01:13:45,300
to make light a Framingham Community

1808
01:13:50,390 --> 01:13:48,179
College and it's so cool we have someone

1809
01:13:52,010 --> 01:13:50,400
here from New England on my right and

1810
01:13:54,350 --> 01:13:52,020
then old England on my left so it's

1811
01:13:56,169 --> 01:13:54,360
great all the same town names

1812
01:13:58,910 --> 01:13:56,179
yeah

1813
01:14:00,649 --> 01:13:58,920
all right uh let's go with cabbie

1814
01:14:03,410 --> 01:14:00,659
goodbyes Matt

1815
01:14:05,270 --> 01:14:03,420
I don't even know what to say to that

1816
01:14:07,850 --> 01:14:05,280
comment that you just made

1817
01:14:08,750 --> 01:14:07,860
no I mean I was trying to allude to I

1818
01:14:11,090 --> 01:14:08,760
was thinking of the Pennsylvania

1819
01:14:13,310 --> 01:14:11,100
researcher that said I found the thesis

1820
01:14:16,510 --> 01:14:13,320
and it looked like the size of Foster's

1821
01:14:20,450 --> 01:14:16,520
lager cans but human shaped feces

1822
01:14:25,130 --> 01:14:22,790
go ahead brother no offense any

1823
01:14:28,370 --> 01:14:25,140
Australians listening I know my uh

1824
01:14:29,570 --> 01:14:28,380
accent impersonation is horrible uh yeah

1825
01:14:31,910 --> 01:14:29,580
man I

1826
01:14:35,270 --> 01:14:31,920
this isn't just you know this isn't just

1827
01:14:37,910 --> 01:14:35,280
a story uh it's the very tip of a very

1828
01:14:41,030 --> 01:14:37,920
huge Iceberg there's a body of evidence

1829
01:14:43,850 --> 01:14:41,040
that the public does isn't privy to you

1830
01:14:46,610 --> 01:14:43,860
know it he's making a claim but he's

1831
01:14:49,910 --> 01:14:46,620
also saying and here's how I reached

1832
01:14:52,250 --> 01:14:49,920
this point and go investigate it for

1833
01:14:53,090 --> 01:14:52,260
yourself and see if you reach the same

1834
01:14:56,750 --> 01:14:53,100
point

1835
01:14:59,930 --> 01:14:56,760
uh it's a going to be a very thorough

1836
01:15:02,270 --> 01:14:59,940
process we've designed it that way he

1837
01:15:03,950 --> 01:15:02,280
handled it the right way and by coming

1838
01:15:07,070 --> 01:15:03,960
forward and letting everybody in the

1839
01:15:10,010 --> 01:15:07,080
world know hey I've filed this complaint

1840
01:15:11,870 --> 01:15:10,020
the gears are in motion they can't

1841
01:15:13,189 --> 01:15:11,880
suppress it now they have to come

1842
01:15:15,530 --> 01:15:13,199
forward with something at some point

1843
01:15:17,990 --> 01:15:15,540
they have to reach a decision and let

1844
01:15:20,350 --> 01:15:18,000
people know about it and I think that's

1845
01:15:22,870 --> 01:15:20,360
a huge for disclosure

1846
01:15:26,270 --> 01:15:22,880
I've thoroughly enjoyed the conversation

1847
01:15:29,990 --> 01:15:26,280
learned a lot of information uh Sean and

1848
01:15:31,910 --> 01:15:30,000
Christopher wow I'm I DJ has kept you a

1849
01:15:34,010 --> 01:15:31,920
secret from me this whole time I'm glad

1850
01:15:35,450 --> 01:15:34,020
the cats are out of the bag now you guys

1851
01:15:37,250 --> 01:15:35,460
are amazing thank you for everything

1852
01:15:39,470 --> 01:15:37,260
you've done and uh keep up the great

1853
01:15:43,070 --> 01:15:40,370
thanks

1854
01:15:44,570 --> 01:15:43,080
hey can I get amen uh yeah this is

1855
01:15:47,450 --> 01:15:44,580
potentially the biggest story of all

1856
01:15:49,610 --> 01:15:47,460
time and people are wondering about uh

1857
01:15:51,709 --> 01:15:49,620
The Real Housewives of New Jersey and

1858
01:15:54,169 --> 01:15:51,719
what's happening with uh Frank and

1859
01:15:56,330 --> 01:15:54,179
Theresa and blah blah blah it's amazing

1860
01:15:58,550 --> 01:15:56,340
and past the salt by the way yeah great

1861
01:16:01,750 --> 01:15:58,560
there's UFOs this potentially the I mean

1862
01:16:06,830 --> 01:16:01,760
this if go back and listen to the uncut

1863
01:16:10,310 --> 01:16:06,840
the uncut version of uh that somebody I

1864
01:16:12,290 --> 01:16:10,320
think technopoodle put on uh YouTube is

1865
01:16:14,750 --> 01:16:12,300
the uncut Ross coaltart interview where

1866
01:16:17,209 --> 01:16:14,760
there's no commercials it is even for

1867
01:16:19,430 --> 01:16:17,219
people everybody on this panel except

1868
01:16:21,709 --> 01:16:19,440
Matt has heard every one of these

1869
01:16:24,649 --> 01:16:21,719
hypotheses pretty much that was laid out

1870
01:16:27,410 --> 01:16:24,659
I think save for one

1871
01:16:29,390 --> 01:16:27,420
um and it's still shocking it really is

1872
01:16:31,010 --> 01:16:29,400
just mind-blowing because we have a guy

1873
01:16:32,930 --> 01:16:31,020
who also we didn't mention he has a

1874
01:16:35,030 --> 01:16:32,940
degree in physics essentially he's a

1875
01:16:37,189 --> 01:16:35,040
physicist that that's an Intel guy

1876
01:16:39,290 --> 01:16:37,199
that's analyzing the different the

1877
01:16:43,970 --> 01:16:39,300
fourth and fifth dimension and the

1878
01:16:47,630 --> 01:16:43,980
potentiality of uh of this uh being in a

1879
01:16:50,689 --> 01:16:47,640
co-located physical space that's able to

1880
01:16:54,770 --> 01:16:50,699
enter into our space when it wants to

1881
01:16:57,530 --> 01:16:54,780
and football size field size craft so it

1882
01:16:59,630 --> 01:16:57,540
there's so much there watch it and it's

1883
01:17:01,370 --> 01:16:59,640
just a and it's it's it's stuff that

1884
01:17:03,709 --> 01:17:01,380
we've all heard we've heard this

1885
01:17:06,350 --> 01:17:03,719
hypothesized in the community but we've

1886
01:17:08,450 --> 01:17:06,360
never had it verified by this high of

1887
01:17:09,950 --> 01:17:08,460
source ever that's what makes it a big

1888
01:17:13,130 --> 01:17:09,960
story

1889
01:17:14,870 --> 01:17:13,140
um Deb if you uh first of all

1890
01:17:16,430 --> 01:17:14,880
um Julie is saying there's a question

1891
01:17:20,930 --> 01:17:16,440
from Grant I don't know if that's Grant

1892
01:17:23,090 --> 01:17:20,940
levock if you have a question Julie just

1893
01:17:25,370 --> 01:17:23,100
pose it before we close and we'll get it

1894
01:17:27,050 --> 01:17:25,380
in there uh Deb go with your cabbie

1895
01:17:28,729 --> 01:17:27,060
goodbye if you would ma'am all right

1896
01:17:30,470 --> 01:17:28,739
unless you have something else you have

1897
01:17:33,169 --> 01:17:30,480
a few things one I need to defend

1898
01:17:36,130 --> 01:17:33,179
reality TV because it makes great

1899
01:17:38,870 --> 01:17:36,140
background while you're researching UFOs

1900
01:17:40,669 --> 01:17:38,880
like I use it all the time as background

1901
01:17:43,130 --> 01:17:40,679
second

1902
01:17:45,050 --> 01:17:43,140
beautiful you know for all those cabbies

1903
01:17:47,270 --> 01:17:45,060
who have been long time listeners get

1904
01:17:49,850 --> 01:17:47,280
those seat belts because we really are

1905
01:17:51,830 --> 01:17:49,860
going to be in for a bumpy ride we need

1906
01:17:55,310 --> 01:17:51,840
to really be thinking about how people

1907
01:17:57,590 --> 01:17:55,320
are handling some of these drops

1908
01:18:00,470 --> 01:17:57,600
um and you know I think it was smart to

1909
01:18:02,870 --> 01:18:00,480
do the drip method because you saw how

1910
01:18:05,149 --> 01:18:02,880
it just you know

1911
01:18:06,709 --> 01:18:05,159
people just get riled up like that's the

1912
01:18:09,530 --> 01:18:06,719
nicest way to put it within the

1913
01:18:12,310 --> 01:18:09,540
community so be gentle with each other

1914
01:18:15,229 --> 01:18:12,320
as Kelly Chase said

1915
01:18:16,790 --> 01:18:15,239
recently please try to be gentle with

1916
01:18:19,430 --> 01:18:16,800
each other

1917
01:18:20,330 --> 01:18:19,440
um and then of course thank you both for

1918
01:18:23,390 --> 01:18:20,340
coming

1919
01:18:26,030 --> 01:18:23,400
um it's Liberation Times by the way Matt

1920
01:18:28,130 --> 01:18:26,040
that you need to go check out and thank

1921
01:18:31,790 --> 01:18:28,140
you Sean for being here also you guys

1922
01:18:34,250 --> 01:18:31,800
are awesome thank you

1923
01:18:36,830 --> 01:18:34,260
okay uh let me get to

1924
01:18:38,810 --> 01:18:36,840
um I I agree with what Jeff just said

1925
01:18:41,810 --> 01:18:38,820
um I I want to answer Grant lavac's

1926
01:18:43,850 --> 01:18:41,820
question yeah Grant you and I will we'll

1927
01:18:46,850 --> 01:18:43,860
talk so what do we make about the UK and

1928
01:18:48,649 --> 01:18:46,860
Australia's reluctance to come on on in

1929
01:18:51,649 --> 01:18:48,659
their on their participation in five

1930
01:18:54,110 --> 01:18:51,659
eyes Forum when UK and New Zealand have

1931
01:18:56,390 --> 01:18:54,120
been forthcoming P.S please consider and

1932
01:18:59,209 --> 01:18:56,400
block me all right well all right grant

1933
01:19:01,250 --> 01:18:59,219
yeah I'll I'll uh I'll call you brother

1934
01:19:02,330 --> 01:19:01,260
we'll we can unblock it so I'm not an

1935
01:19:04,669 --> 01:19:02,340
issue

1936
01:19:06,290 --> 01:19:04,679
um okay so if I don't know if you guys

1937
01:19:09,050 --> 01:19:06,300
want to take a stab at that starting

1938
01:19:10,370 --> 01:19:09,060
with Sean about uh what do you make of

1939
01:19:12,410 --> 01:19:10,380
the UK and Australia's reluctance

1940
01:19:14,709 --> 01:19:12,420
comment on their participation in the

1941
01:19:16,790 --> 01:19:14,719
five eyes form

1942
01:19:19,370 --> 01:19:16,800
possibly at this point there's there's

1943
01:19:21,290 --> 01:19:19,380
probably not a a joint I would assume

1944
01:19:25,130 --> 01:19:21,300
that there's not a a joint public

1945
01:19:28,310 --> 01:19:25,140
affairs kind of uh

1946
01:19:29,810 --> 01:19:28,320
policy of okay this question receives

1947
01:19:31,850 --> 01:19:29,820
this answer this question receives that

1948
01:19:33,169 --> 01:19:31,860
answer it hasn't been you know

1949
01:19:34,669 --> 01:19:33,179
formulated the last thing they want to

1950
01:19:35,510 --> 01:19:34,679
do is make a statement that contradicts

1951
01:19:38,030 --> 01:19:35,520
another

1952
01:19:39,770 --> 01:19:38,040
uh Ally Nation at this point right

1953
01:19:41,450 --> 01:19:39,780
that's I was I would assume that that

1954
01:19:43,669 --> 01:19:41,460
would be my my perspective at this point

1955
01:19:45,229 --> 01:19:43,679
so no comment versus a comment that

1956
01:19:46,729 --> 01:19:45,239
potentially

1957
01:19:49,310 --> 01:19:46,739
um

1958
01:19:50,510 --> 01:19:49,320
goes a little further or contradicts

1959
01:19:53,750 --> 01:19:50,520
what another nation's going to put out

1960
01:19:55,669 --> 01:19:53,760
so don't put on anything at this point

1961
01:19:56,990 --> 01:19:55,679
um I would say from my perspective I

1962
01:19:58,669 --> 01:19:57,000
actually said this earlier in the

1963
01:20:01,189 --> 01:19:58,679
program Grant

1964
01:20:03,350 --> 01:20:01,199
um all of these nations have a program

1965
01:20:06,229 --> 01:20:03,360
and they have decided that it is in

1966
01:20:09,350 --> 01:20:06,239
their interest not to talk about it I

1967
01:20:10,850 --> 01:20:09,360
cannot speculate for you on why that is

1968
01:20:12,229 --> 01:20:10,860
because it would be nothing more than

1969
01:20:15,350 --> 01:20:12,239
that

1970
01:20:16,910 --> 01:20:15,360
um the UK and Australia uh as you said

1971
01:20:19,250 --> 01:20:16,920
they're part of five eyes we share and

1972
01:20:21,110 --> 01:20:19,260
tell with them can't really Commonwealth

1973
01:20:23,149 --> 01:20:21,120
Commonwealth Nations historically and

1974
01:20:24,649 --> 01:20:23,159
not as transparent with putting

1975
01:20:26,750 --> 01:20:24,659
information out you have a little more

1976
01:20:29,390 --> 01:20:26,760
control over their media organization so

1977
01:20:33,530 --> 01:20:29,400
the United States kind of has no choice

1978
01:20:36,410 --> 01:20:33,540
because media has a little more you know

1979
01:20:40,550 --> 01:20:36,420
ability to push the threshold

1980
01:20:42,530 --> 01:20:40,560
in uh demand answers demand answers from

1981
01:20:44,630 --> 01:20:42,540
historically I believe that the

1982
01:20:46,910 --> 01:20:44,640
Commonwealth Nations don't necessarily

1983
01:20:48,709 --> 01:20:46,920
have those types of bomb

1984
01:20:51,890 --> 01:20:48,719
media

1985
01:20:52,970 --> 01:20:51,900
Freedom yeah we're we're and I'm going

1986
01:20:55,250 --> 01:20:52,980
to go to you right now Chris we're

1987
01:20:58,669 --> 01:20:55,260
rebellious country but Grant I there's

1988
01:21:00,229 --> 01:20:58,679
no way we could know why that the UK and

1989
01:21:02,450 --> 01:21:00,239
the Australian government see it in

1990
01:21:04,669 --> 01:21:02,460
their interest not to talk about it Sean

1991
01:21:06,890 --> 01:21:04,679
it could be that is saying from a public

1992
01:21:09,830 --> 01:21:06,900
affairs perspective they may not want to

1993
01:21:11,510 --> 01:21:09,840
step on toes and comment on our our

1994
01:21:13,490 --> 01:21:11,520
disclosure that's happened in our

1995
01:21:15,169 --> 01:21:13,500
country but why they're not revealing

1996
01:21:17,689 --> 01:21:15,179
their programs to you

1997
01:21:20,030 --> 01:21:17,699
that's their decision as a Sovereign

1998
01:21:22,189 --> 01:21:20,040
Nation not to do that I I couldn't guess

1999
01:21:23,750 --> 01:21:22,199
why that would be

2000
01:21:26,450 --> 01:21:23,760
Christopher

2001
01:21:29,270 --> 01:21:26,460
yeah it's a bit over the top in all

2002
01:21:30,770 --> 01:21:29,280
honesty because the question that I put

2003
01:21:33,950 --> 01:21:30,780
forth to

2004
01:21:37,610 --> 01:21:33,960
um all the all these nations in terms of

2005
01:21:39,830 --> 01:21:37,620
their um their defense contacts is that

2006
01:21:43,010 --> 01:21:39,840
can you confirm

2007
01:21:45,770 --> 01:21:43,020
um that you had representation that the

2008
01:21:47,270 --> 01:21:45,780
issue briefing that Sean Kirkpatrick

2009
01:21:48,770 --> 01:21:47,280
confirmed that he helped between the

2010
01:21:51,530 --> 01:21:48,780
five eyes

2011
01:21:54,350 --> 01:21:51,540
um and so far the New Zealand Defense

2012
01:21:57,530 --> 01:21:54,360
Force said yeah we had someone there

2013
01:22:00,169 --> 01:21:57,540
um the Canadians said yeah we had

2014
01:22:02,450 --> 01:22:00,179
someone there the Americans goes about

2015
01:22:05,090 --> 01:22:02,460
saying but the British and Australians

2016
01:22:07,370 --> 01:22:05,100
they they can't even they can't even

2017
01:22:09,169 --> 01:22:07,380
admit that I mean the UK is pretty well

2018
01:22:11,810 --> 01:22:09,179
locked up basically they say look it's

2019
01:22:14,270 --> 01:22:11,820
our policy that we'll never discuss such

2020
01:22:16,130 --> 01:22:14,280
matters publicly so that they they

2021
01:22:18,050 --> 01:22:16,140
basically got it sewn up already so they

2022
01:22:19,729 --> 01:22:18,060
don't need to say to you that you know

2023
01:22:21,950 --> 01:22:19,739
we're going to deny that on the

2024
01:22:25,010 --> 01:22:21,960
commentary thing so that's pretty smart

2025
01:22:28,550 --> 01:22:25,020
of them I'm still waiting to hear back

2026
01:22:30,590 --> 01:22:28,560
from the the Australians on this I

2027
01:22:31,610 --> 01:22:30,600
suspect I'll get it I'll get a similar

2028
01:22:34,130 --> 01:22:31,620
answer

2029
01:22:37,189 --> 01:22:34,140
um but it does I think point to quite a

2030
01:22:39,169 --> 01:22:37,199
major problem in terms of transparency

2031
01:22:41,030 --> 01:22:39,179
um in my own country and also in

2032
01:22:43,250 --> 01:22:41,040
Australia that we're not even getting

2033
01:22:44,870 --> 01:22:43,260
the level of transparency that the

2034
01:22:46,910 --> 01:22:44,880
Americans

2035
01:22:48,830 --> 01:22:46,920
um are getting on the UAP topic and you

2036
01:22:50,870 --> 01:22:48,840
know there's lots of people who will

2037
01:22:53,209 --> 01:22:50,880
criticize the American government for a

2038
01:22:55,310 --> 01:22:53,219
lack of transparency and I think

2039
01:22:57,770 --> 01:22:55,320
you know if it's bad in the US it's even

2040
01:22:59,750 --> 01:22:57,780
worse in the UK and I criticize season

2041
01:23:01,430 --> 01:22:59,760
golf a lot but she's been great

2042
01:23:04,189 --> 01:23:01,440
otherwise you know she provides much

2043
01:23:06,890 --> 01:23:04,199
more information to me than my own

2044
01:23:08,810 --> 01:23:06,900
government's ever provided to me

2045
01:23:12,530 --> 01:23:08,820
um and I would also just add this as

2046
01:23:14,030 --> 01:23:12,540
well I would suggest and I would I would

2047
01:23:16,189 --> 01:23:14,040
say that some very very good sources

2048
01:23:20,510 --> 01:23:16,199
support me that the five eyes are very

2049
01:23:22,610 --> 01:23:20,520
well aware of um UAP as an issue and

2050
01:23:25,550 --> 01:23:22,620
this isn't the first time that the five

2051
01:23:28,010 --> 01:23:25,560
eyes have actually sat down and spoken

2052
01:23:30,590 --> 01:23:28,020
about this topic and um

2053
01:23:32,450 --> 01:23:30,600
yeah I I think it's something that we

2054
01:23:34,610 --> 01:23:32,460
should keep an eye on there are a number

2055
01:23:36,229 --> 01:23:34,620
of theaters where the five eyes allies

2056
01:23:37,910 --> 01:23:36,239
work together

2057
01:23:40,850 --> 01:23:37,920
um on and

2058
01:23:44,149 --> 01:23:40,860
um you know as it as it's said by Sean

2059
01:23:45,950 --> 01:23:44,159
Kirkpatrick the uap's team all over the

2060
01:23:48,229 --> 01:23:45,960
world it's not just

2061
01:23:51,709 --> 01:23:48,239
um restricted to the um the United

2062
01:23:54,350 --> 01:23:51,719
States and from the coast so it's a key

2063
01:23:57,290 --> 01:23:54,360
thing to consider yeah great question

2064
01:24:01,070 --> 01:23:57,300
yep that um that is that is a great

2065
01:24:02,990 --> 01:24:01,080
question thank you grant for that and um

2066
01:24:05,750 --> 01:24:03,000
yeah it's um

2067
01:24:09,470 --> 01:24:05,760
it's it's very speculative but uh I've

2068
01:24:12,830 --> 01:24:09,480
said that if these other countries had a

2069
01:24:16,070 --> 01:24:12,840
Lu Elizondo a Christopher melon if they

2070
01:24:18,470 --> 01:24:16,080
had now a David Rush that came out and

2071
01:24:20,750 --> 01:24:18,480
and it and said hey I'm coming forth

2072
01:24:22,970 --> 01:24:20,760
through uh an official Channel through

2073
01:24:25,070 --> 01:24:22,980
some sort of a whistleblower construct

2074
01:24:27,229 --> 01:24:25,080
that were to exist if that exists I'm

2075
01:24:29,570 --> 01:24:27,239
sure it does in the UK and Australia

2076
01:24:31,669 --> 01:24:29,580
then this topic would you know this

2077
01:24:33,950 --> 01:24:31,679
could happen the reason that we have

2078
01:24:36,050 --> 01:24:33,960
this is because people it's a we're a

2079
01:24:37,850 --> 01:24:36,060
rebellious Nation you know obviously we

2080
01:24:40,370 --> 01:24:37,860
were the colonies I mean you know what

2081
01:24:42,590 --> 01:24:40,380
America is all about we're a very you

2082
01:24:44,149 --> 01:24:42,600
know uh roughhouse kind of a group and

2083
01:24:47,090 --> 01:24:44,159
people came forward and said this is

2084
01:24:49,729 --> 01:24:47,100
bullcrap and I'm not taking it and I'm

2085
01:24:51,770 --> 01:24:49,739
going to report it and if you had a

2086
01:24:54,530 --> 01:24:51,780
David fravor in your country or in Alex

2087
01:24:56,870 --> 01:24:54,540
Dietrich or Lu Elizondo you would get

2088
01:24:59,209 --> 01:24:56,880
off the ground as well but the reason

2089
01:25:02,209 --> 01:24:59,219
that this has come forward is because of

2090
01:25:04,430 --> 01:25:02,219
those guys this the government does not

2091
01:25:06,709 --> 01:25:04,440
move from its position just because

2092
01:25:09,530 --> 01:25:06,719
people on Twitter say I want to know

2093
01:25:11,510 --> 01:25:09,540
they moved because Lou Elizondo and

2094
01:25:12,709 --> 01:25:11,520
Christopher Mellon and all these the

2095
01:25:14,810 --> 01:25:12,719
people they're going to be known as the

2096
01:25:17,689 --> 01:25:14,820
forefathers of this movement made them

2097
01:25:18,950 --> 01:25:17,699
move because they had recency and

2098
01:25:21,410 --> 01:25:18,960
legitimacy

2099
01:25:24,410 --> 01:25:21,420
does that mean that Rick Doherty wasn't

2100
01:25:26,510 --> 01:25:24,420
legitimate or or Philip Corso or others

2101
01:25:28,250 --> 01:25:26,520
no they were legitimate as well but they

2102
01:25:31,070 --> 01:25:28,260
don't have the recency

2103
01:25:33,649 --> 01:25:31,080
and the and the current day connections

2104
01:25:35,689 --> 01:25:33,659
and active clearances and so forth that

2105
01:25:38,510 --> 01:25:35,699
they could come forward and get those

2106
01:25:41,030 --> 01:25:38,520
videos released now well shoot now we

2107
01:25:43,910 --> 01:25:41,040
got to talk about these videos so

2108
01:25:46,130 --> 01:25:43,920
I mean that's essentially a large part

2109
01:25:48,950 --> 01:25:46,140
of it but the reason it's not happening

2110
01:25:51,890 --> 01:25:48,960
is those two reasons a Nobody Has Come

2111
01:25:53,990 --> 01:25:51,900
forward and and shifted their paradigms

2112
01:25:55,189 --> 01:25:54,000
so that they have to talk about it A and

2113
01:25:56,810 --> 01:25:55,199
B

2114
01:25:58,850 --> 01:25:56,820
um those governments that that

2115
01:26:00,770 --> 01:25:58,860
Christopher said he's reached out to his

2116
01:26:02,930 --> 01:26:00,780
own Australia and you know among others

2117
01:26:05,390 --> 01:26:02,940
have decided it's not in their interest

2118
01:26:07,550 --> 01:26:05,400
for whatever reason to talk about it

2119
01:26:09,890 --> 01:26:07,560
unfortunately we would disagree with

2120
01:26:11,330 --> 01:26:09,900
them patently all of us and our

2121
01:26:14,510 --> 01:26:11,340
community would disagree with them but

2122
01:26:18,590 --> 01:26:16,729
okay oh okay so there you go I finished

2123
01:26:20,750 --> 01:26:18,600
off my own job

2124
01:26:23,030 --> 01:26:20,760
um I want to thank you guys uh we kept

2125
01:26:25,550 --> 01:26:23,040
you uh you know nearly 30 minutes longer

2126
01:26:27,350 --> 01:26:25,560
than we thought uh but everybody made a

2127
01:26:29,870 --> 01:26:27,360
lot of great points I'm sorry that that

2128
01:26:33,050 --> 01:26:29,880
we did I apologize to well Chris's

2129
01:26:35,570 --> 01:26:33,060
wife's asleep but Sean says and so and

2130
01:26:37,250 --> 01:26:35,580
his kids thank you so much uh Sean I

2131
01:26:39,290 --> 01:26:37,260
really appreciate it brother

2132
01:26:42,770 --> 01:26:39,300
I really do I hope I was able to add

2133
01:26:46,250 --> 01:26:44,090
thank you very much for the opportunity

2134
01:26:47,930 --> 01:26:46,260
to speak oh man we can't wait to have

2135
01:26:49,850 --> 01:26:47,940
you this was the first time but it's not

2136
01:26:51,530 --> 01:26:49,860
going to be the last invitation you get

2137
01:26:53,030 --> 01:26:51,540
of that I can assure you Christopher

2138
01:26:56,030 --> 01:26:53,040
you've been on a couple times you've

2139
01:26:58,970 --> 01:26:56,040
been on some uh our round tables uh our

2140
01:27:01,550 --> 01:26:58,980
uh you what is it what are those shows

2141
01:27:04,729 --> 01:27:01,560
the rock and roll shows that we have

2142
01:27:08,390 --> 01:27:04,739
oh yeah yeah I'm a miracula I'm a

2143
01:27:09,550 --> 01:27:08,400
veteran of this you know so uh yeah I'm

2144
01:27:12,050 --> 01:27:09,560
honored

2145
01:27:14,750 --> 01:27:12,060
so thank you everybody in the chat all

2146
01:27:17,570 --> 01:27:14,760
you guys Duncan Deanne uh I see Escape

2147
01:27:19,430 --> 01:27:17,580
FX Bob Marley

2148
01:27:21,649 --> 01:27:19,440
um all you get yeah Deanna I'm sorry I

2149
01:27:24,950 --> 01:27:21,659
said her name wrong Deanne uh I

2150
01:27:28,070 --> 01:27:24,960
appreciate all you guys Jules Grant

2151
01:27:31,010 --> 01:27:28,080
um and for uh Matt for Debs for Sean and

2152
01:27:31,790 --> 01:27:31,020
for Christopher this is DJ Singh peace

2153
01:27:33,350 --> 01:27:31,800
out

2154
01:27:35,629 --> 01:27:33,360
One Love

2155
01:27:37,610 --> 01:27:35,639
we'll see you down the road and as

2156
01:27:41,510 --> 01:27:37,620
always we wonder what's up around the